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First post, by cyclone3d

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So I needed to install Windows 3.1 or 3.11 and so I went ahead and installed WFW 3.11.

It installed no problem and started up no problem after the initial install.

Mind you I am running Windows 98SE DOS but this didn't initially seem to be a problem at all.

After a reboot, I try to run WFW 3.11 and it tells me that it is the wrong version of DOS. Uggghhhh.

So then I try to install DOS 6.22 and lame DOS 6.22 of course thinks that the drive is a non-DOS partition and can't read it.

So now I am stuck installing DOS 6.22 onto floppies so I can copy over the files after they have been extracted so I can use stuff like SETVER to trick WFW 3.11 into running.

/rant

Edit.. well that didn't work. It doesn't copy setver on a floppy install.

Ended up using expand to expand setver - yay.

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Reply 1 of 16, by zyga64

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Making Windows 3.11 work in DOS7.10 (patches inside)

1) VLSI SCAMP /286@20 /4MB /TVGA9000C /CMI8330
2) i420EX /486DX33 /16MB /TGUI9440 /YMF718+GUS
3) i430HX /P233MMX /64MB /VirgeDX+3DFX /YMF701
4) i440BX /P II 400 /256MB /MX440SE /SBLive!+Vibra16s
5) i865G /E5800 /2GB /Ti4200 /YMF724

Reply 2 of 16, by cyclone3d

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Yep... I found that out just a couple minutes ago. Patched and working.

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Reply 3 of 16, by Jo22

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cyclone3d wrote on 2021-05-25, 07:19:

Yep... I found that out just a couple minutes ago. Patched and working.

Please be careful, though. Please don't trust WfW 3.11 or DOS 7.1

Personally, I'v encountered quite some issues if they ran along.
For example, the WfW directory was garbled after exiting WfW.

I had to leave the directory and enter it again.
Happened a few times.

Other issues:

rmay635703 wrote on 2019-07-04, 13:36:

With the patch on win3.1 running dos 7.x I’ve found many programs break

Encarta 95 blows up for example with a strange version error

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Reply 4 of 16, by cyclone3d

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Yeah, I only really installed it on this system so I could run an install for a sound card driver. I don't actually have any other use for Windows 3.x at the moment.

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Reply 5 of 16, by Rikintosh

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I don't particularly recommend DOS 7 for win3.xx. Its best path is 6.22 + win 3.x One was built to be compatible with the other, it works perfectly. Dos 7 is unstable with win 3.x, occasionally you will experience this kind of problem, silly things happen all of a sudden.

I'm developing a game manager frontend for Win 9x, take a look: https://rikintoshsmultimediamanager.blogspot.com/

Reply 6 of 16, by Jorpho

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cyclone3d wrote on 2021-05-25, 16:54:

Yeah, I only really installed it on this system so I could run an install for a sound card driver.

Which one? If this is one of the Creative Labs DOS drivers, then there are ways to fool it into thinking that Win9x is not present; there have been posts about it before.

Reply 7 of 16, by cyclone3d

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No, it was to install the Orchid Soundwave 32 Pro driver set. All the lower models have installers that work in DOS, but this model has an installer that only works in Windows.

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Reply 9 of 16, by cyclone3d

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Intel486dx33 wrote on 2021-06-02, 22:33:

It’s NOT Win-3.11 thats the problem it’s DOS.
Too many versions of DOS that are NOT compatible with each other.

Ever since Windows 95a came out, I've been using the Windows version of DOS with the DOS6.22 supplemental disk (DOS 5 stuff that was not provided with DOS 6 or higher). Never had a single problem.

I don't really get what you are trying to say. What is your point?

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Reply 10 of 16, by Caluser2000

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Intel486dx33 wrote on 2021-06-02, 22:33:

It’s NOT Win-3.11 thats the problem it’s DOS.
Too many versions of DOS that are NOT compatible with each other.

What a fib. I'm sorry to say but you definitely have NO idea what you are talking about.

There's a glitch in the matrix.

Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.

Reply 11 of 16, by Jo22

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^ok boomer

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Reply 12 of 16, by Intel486dx33

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There is only one version on Win-3.11
But many versions of DOS and the binaries are not compatible on different versions of DOS.
5.0
6.0
6.22
7.1
Etc....

These different version binaries are not compatible with each other.

Reply 13 of 16, by Caluser2000

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Intel486dx33 wrote on 2021-06-03, 05:09:
There is only one version on Win-3.11 But many versions of DOS and the binaries are not compatible on different versions of DOS. […]
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There is only one version on Win-3.11
But many versions of DOS and the binaries are not compatible on different versions of DOS.
5.0
6.0
6.22
7.1
Etc....

These different version binaries are not compatible with each other.

Hmmmmmm........ So we are changing thew goal posts now. See my previous post thank you.
. ie applications. running on DrDos?

Did you know the dos edit programed from win98 works on previoous versions of Dos. including DrDos and IBM/PC Dos. And there are plenty of other examples.

There's a glitch in the matrix.

Apparently 32-bit is dead and nobody likes P4s.

Reply 16 of 16, by cyclone3d

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Intel486dx33 wrote on 2021-06-03, 14:19:
Usually you get problems with different DOS versions of the following files. Command.com MSCDEX.exe Himem.sys Etc. […]
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Usually you get problems with different DOS versions of the following files.
Command.com
MSCDEX.exe
Himem.sys
Etc.

So you just use ones that work.

I'm have the Windows ME himem emm386 and smartdrv on this install though only himem is currently being used.

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Yamaha XG resource repository - updated November 27, 2018
Yamaha YMF7x4 Guide
AW744L II - YMF744 - AOpen Cobra Sound Card - Install SB-Link Header
Epstein didn't kill himself