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Reply 21 of 31, by bjwil1991

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Would this sound card be worth it: Packard Bell I38-MMSN824? What it looks like to me is the Sound Galaxy 16 Basic/Pro/Washington that supports the Covox Speech Thing, Disney Sound Source, Windows Sound System, Sound Blaster Pro 2 and Adlib compatible, MPU-401 with a WaveTable header, 3 CD drive headers (Sony, Mitsumi, and Panasonic), and EXPCON header (parallel port). Am I wrong on the specs here? The card doesn't have an amplifier (since it's a Packard Bell branded card).

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Reply 22 of 31, by cyclone3d

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bjwil1991 wrote:

Would this sound card be worth it: Packard Bell I38-MMSN824? What it looks like to me is the Sound Galaxy 16 Basic/Pro/Washington that supports the Covox Speech Thing, Disney Sound Source, Windows Sound System, Sound Blaster Pro 2 and Adlib compatible, MPU-401 with a WaveTable header, 3 CD drive headers (Sony, Mitsumi, and Panasonic), and EXPCON header (parallel port). Am I wrong on the specs here? The card doesn't have an amplifier (since it's a Packard Bell branded card).

Only the first gen cards with the AZTSSPT0592-U01 chip support Covox/DSS

The 824 is 3rd gen.

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Reply 23 of 31, by bjwil1991

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cyclone3d wrote:
Only the first gen cards with the AZTSSPT0592-U01 chip support Covox/DSS […]
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bjwil1991 wrote:

Would this sound card be worth it: Packard Bell I38-MMSN824? What it looks like to me is the Sound Galaxy 16 Basic/Pro/Washington that supports the Covox Speech Thing, Disney Sound Source, Windows Sound System, Sound Blaster Pro 2 and Adlib compatible, MPU-401 with a WaveTable header, 3 CD drive headers (Sony, Mitsumi, and Panasonic), and EXPCON header (parallel port). Am I wrong on the specs here? The card doesn't have an amplifier (since it's a Packard Bell branded card).

Only the first gen cards with the AZTSSPT0592-U01 chip support Covox/DSS

The 824 is 3rd gen.

See here for a complete list:
Aztech Sound Galaxy cards

Arrgh. The issue with the 1st gen. cards with the AZTSSPT0592-U01 chip is the MPU-401 isn't compatible for MS-DOS, except for Windows 3.11 (95 and higher won't work with it, I believe).

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Reply 24 of 31, by jesolo

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bjwil1991 wrote:

Arrgh. The issue with the 1st gen. cards with the AZTSSPT0592-U01 chip is the MPU-401 isn't compatible for MS-DOS, except for Windows 3.11 (95 and higher won't work with it, I believe).

Actually, the MIDI port on these 1st generation cards aren't MPU-401 compatible at all. They are, however, compatible with the original Sound Blaster MIDI ports.
If you are looking for drivers for the I38-MMSN824, here you go:

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Reply 25 of 31, by protivakid

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jesolo wrote:
Finding drivers these days for these Multimedia Pro cards is quite difficult, since Packard Bell no longer host these on their s […]
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Finding drivers these days for these Multimedia Pro cards is quite difficult, since Packard Bell no longer host these on their server, nor does Aztech Labs.
However, I've been able to track down various drivers over the years from other sources.

Unfortunately, in the case of this model (I38-MMSN837), I'm not entirely sure which one of the Multimedia Pro driver sets is for this card but, it should be one of these two that I've attached below. Both of these has support for the 3D surround sound function.
I'm inclined to say that the MP163D6 driver set is probably the one.

Try installing the first set first and see whether the installation program recognises the card. If not, try the other set.
If the first one works, try the other one as well, as I would like to establish which of these driver sets actually does work with this particular model number.

My card ended up having some issues but I just want to say that on my I38-MMSN834 Packard Bell AzTech 2316 that these drivers did install and work. Thanks!

Reply 27 of 31, by jesolo

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rmay635703 wrote:

Your lucky the card works, all 5 of my Aztec/Crystal/PB sound cards are fried and won’t detect.

Never had good luck with those cards.

But the MWAVE cards I have keep going

Won't detect where? Under DOS or under Windows?
You need to make sure you are using the correct driver package for your particular model.
List the model numbers of the cards that don't work.

Reply 28 of 31, by bjwil1991

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I have an Aztech Sound Galaxy NX Pro (non-16) that won't get detected as the ISA video card in my one system took over the IRQ and Address space, so I will install it in another system and see what happens (had to do some repairs on the card itself) and the drivers are correct. I have an Aztech Sound Galaxy NX Pro 16 that's in my Packard Bell Pack-Mate 28 Plus that works out of the blue and using the drivers and software the card came with when I bought it new back in the summertime from eBay.

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Reply 29 of 31, by Oetker

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jesolo wrote:
Actually, the MIDI port on these 1st generation cards aren't MPU-401 compatible at all. They are, however, compatible with the […]
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bjwil1991 wrote:

Arrgh. The issue with the 1st gen. cards with the AZTSSPT0592-U01 chip is the MPU-401 isn't compatible for MS-DOS, except for Windows 3.11 (95 and higher won't work with it, I believe).

Actually, the MIDI port on these 1st generation cards aren't MPU-401 compatible at all. They are, however, compatible with the original Sound Blaster MIDI ports.
If you are looking for drivers for the I38-MMSN824, here you go:

VY212.RAR

I just acquired exactly this card, so thanks for posting these drivers. However I do have a few questions:
1 It seems it's best to just let Windows 98 use the built-in Washington 16 drivers, being that this driver set only contains 3.1/95 drivers?
2 There's a tool to switch the card between sbpro and wss mode. When would one need to use this tool, it seems my card is in sbpro mode yet it works fine for Windows audio? Is this only relevant for DOS games?
3 The config tool adds a reference to eeprom.sys to config.sys and azcal.exe to AutoExec.bat, any idea what these do? Removing them doesn't seem to impact anything...
4 The main issue I have with this card is audio in Doom. Duke3D and Quake work fine. Doom has no digital audio in Windows (adlib and mpu301 work fine). In Dos, I need to start Doom twice for sound to work. If I start Duke3D and then Doom, Doom's audio is again broken until I start it twice. Any idea what might be causing this?

For issue 4, I've tried slowing down the PC, various settings in the config tool, playing with BIOS settings (but my PC is very limited in these) nothing helps. I did notice that I need to slow down the PC for demofm.exe not to output garbage.

Reply 30 of 31, by jesolo

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Oetker wrote:
I just acquired exactly this card, so thanks for posting these drivers. However I do have a few questions: 1 It seems it's best […]
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jesolo wrote:

Actually, the MIDI port on these 1st generation cards aren't MPU-401 compatible at all. They are, however, compatible with the original Sound Blaster MIDI ports.
If you are looking for drivers for the I38-MMSN824, here you go:

The attachment VY212.RAR is no longer available

I just acquired exactly this card, so thanks for posting these drivers. However I do have a few questions:
1 It seems it's best to just let Windows 98 use the built-in Washington 16 drivers, being that this driver set only contains 3.1/95 drivers?
2 There's a tool to switch the card between sbpro and wss mode. When would one need to use this tool, it seems my card is in sbpro mode yet it works fine for Windows audio? Is this only relevant for DOS games?
3 The config tool adds a reference to eeprom.sys to config.sys and azcal.exe to AutoExec.bat, any idea what these do? Removing them doesn't seem to impact anything...
4 The main issue I have with this card is audio in Doom. Duke3D and Quake work fine. Doom has no digital audio in Windows (adlib and mpu301 work fine). In Dos, I need to start Doom twice for sound to work. If I start Duke3D and then Doom, Doom's audio is again broken until I start it twice. Any idea what might be causing this?

For issue 4, I've tried slowing down the PC, various settings in the config tool, playing with BIOS settings (but my PC is very limited in these) nothing helps. I did notice that I need to slow down the PC for demofm.exe not to output garbage.

  1. Yes, it should work fine. It should be similar than the attached list that was made available around the time Windows 95 was released.
  2. You only switch between the two modes under a real DOS environment. Sound Blaster Pro supports a maximum sampling rate of 22.5 kHz in 8-bit stereo, whereas Windows Sound System supports a maximum sampling rate of 48 kHz in 16-bit stereo. For software that supported a higher sampling rate, this was useful but, most DOS games from that era (1993 to 1995) did not. Under Windows, "Sound Blaster compatibility" becomes irrelevant, since Windows uses its own driver. Therefore, so long as the hardware has an appropriate Windows driver, then your software should be able to "talk" to it. You are then purely limited by what the hardware's capabilities are. All Sound Galaxy sound cards (with the exception of your very first cards, like the BX, NX & NX Pro range) were full 16-bit 44.1 KHz stereo sound cards under Windows.
  3. The EEPROM.SYS device driver is to "recall" the settings of the sound card stored in EEPROM (volume, etc.). I can't seem to recall now what AZCAL.EXE does but, I've also removed it from my setup files for those cards that it came with.
  4. I presume that you are in SBPRO mode and not in WSS mode? What sound card are you selecting in the game's setup menu? Your DMA channel must be 1. Is your SET BLASTER environment variable properly defined in your Autoexec.bat file? Make sure you select the same DMA & IRQ settings as what your sound card is configured as. If IRQ 5 doesn't work, try IRQ 7.

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Reply 31 of 31, by Oetker

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jesolo wrote:

[*]I presume that you are in SBPRO mode and not in WSS mode? What sound card are you selecting in the game's setup menu? Your DMA channel must be 1. Is your SET BLASTER environment variable properly defined in your Autoexec.bat file? Make sure you select the same DMA & IRQ settings as what your sound card is configured as. If IRQ 5 doesn't work, try IRQ 7.[/list].

Yes I'm in sbpro mode, and the BLASTER environment variable matches what I've set in config.exe and Doom's setup matches this as well. I'll try setting the card to IRQ 7 and setting that in Doom as well. Really the strange thing is that starting the game twice fixes audio, at least in Dos.

Edit: Irq 7 has the same issue.