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Reply 41 of 53, by hard1k

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Pinout - yes, we've already figured that out, once we have a working prototype, I'll release that info.
Registers - no, we don't plan to code anything new, so we're not messing with those.

New sound card project: AWE64 Legacy
Fortex: Vortex2+YMF744
Please have a look at my wishlist (hosted on Amibay)

Reply 42 of 53, by TelamonLivesOn

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hard1k wrote on 2021-06-26, 11:08:

Pinout - yes, we've already figured that out, once we have a working prototype, I'll release that info.
Registers - no, we don't plan to code anything new, so we're not messing with those.

Cool, the only reason I ask is because I have a personal project that may require these chips.

Reply 43 of 53, by hard1k

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Wow! Great to hear that there are other Vortex projects out there! Would you give some more details on it?

New sound card project: AWE64 Legacy
Fortex: Vortex2+YMF744
Please have a look at my wishlist (hosted on Amibay)

Reply 44 of 53, by TelamonLivesOn

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hard1k wrote on 2021-07-04, 14:58:

Wow! Great to hear that there are other Vortex projects out there! Would you give some more details on it?

It's not a Vortex project, but rather a personal project that would make use of the chip's 3D audio capabilities in a workstation-like system.

Reply 45 of 53, by Shreddoc

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hard1k wrote on 2020-11-29, 20:48:
Another thing. Any ideas on the card name? I'm thinking about Fortex - F makes some reference to FM and to F in the YMF. Forte ( […]
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Another thing. Any ideas on the card name?
I'm thinking about Fortex - F makes some reference to FM and to F in the YMF. Forte (It.) - strong, cool. X makes some reference to XG. And overall, Fortex is like Vortex, but Fortex.
Also, Forte is a notation in music, and it can be written like f. So, Fortex can be reduced to fx, and here we have references to effects and even to f(x) in maths.

But still, Fortex for Vortex is a bit of Abibas for Adidas. So I'll happily consider other ideas too 😀

Having arrived late to this thread, my following comment may be of no use. I just wanted to mention that, in the soundcard market, it's not "Vortex" that I think of when looking for similarly-named associations of "Fortex" : it's the Auzentech X-Fi Forte.

That said, your niche bespoke product of <1000 units being named partly similarly to Auzentech's also-fairly-minor market product from 10+ years ago, is probably not the most important issue in the world! It probably doesn't matter.

Reply 46 of 53, by TelamonLivesOn

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Shreddoc wrote on 2021-07-05, 22:21:
hard1k wrote on 2020-11-29, 20:48:
Another thing. Any ideas on the card name? I'm thinking about Fortex - F makes some reference to FM and to F in the YMF. Forte ( […]
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Another thing. Any ideas on the card name?
I'm thinking about Fortex - F makes some reference to FM and to F in the YMF. Forte (It.) - strong, cool. X makes some reference to XG. And overall, Fortex is like Vortex, but Fortex.
Also, Forte is a notation in music, and it can be written like f. So, Fortex can be reduced to fx, and here we have references to effects and even to f(x) in maths.

But still, Fortex for Vortex is a bit of Abibas for Adidas. So I'll happily consider other ideas too 😀

Having arrived late to this thread, my following comment may be of no use. I just wanted to mention that, in the soundcard market, it's not "Vortex" that I think of when looking for similarly-named associations of "Fortex" : it's the Auzentech X-Fi Forte.

That said, your niche bespoke product of <1000 units being named partly similarly to Auzentech's also-fairly-minor market product from 10+ years ago, is probably not the most important issue in the world! It probably doesn't matter.

Never heard of that until now, I only think of Forte when I hear this name.

Reply 47 of 53, by Shreddoc

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TelamonLivesOn wrote on 2021-07-05, 22:30:
Shreddoc wrote on 2021-07-05, 22:21:
hard1k wrote on 2020-11-29, 20:48:
Another thing. Any ideas on the card name? I'm thinking about Fortex - F makes some reference to FM and to F in the YMF. Forte ( […]
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Another thing. Any ideas on the card name?
I'm thinking about Fortex - F makes some reference to FM and to F in the YMF. Forte (It.) - strong, cool. X makes some reference to XG. And overall, Fortex is like Vortex, but Fortex.
Also, Forte is a notation in music, and it can be written like f. So, Fortex can be reduced to fx, and here we have references to effects and even to f(x) in maths.

But still, Fortex for Vortex is a bit of Abibas for Adidas. So I'll happily consider other ideas too 😀

Having arrived late to this thread, my following comment may be of no use. I just wanted to mention that, in the soundcard market, it's not "Vortex" that I think of when looking for similarly-named associations of "Fortex" : it's the Auzentech X-Fi Forte.

That said, your niche bespoke product of <1000 units being named partly similarly to Auzentech's also-fairly-minor market product from 10+ years ago, is probably not the most important issue in the world! It probably doesn't matter.

Never heard of that until now, I only think of Forte when I hear this name.

Auzentech were never very big. They held a portion of the enthusiast market share for PC soundcards in the 200x's, releasing quite a few different models, of which the Forte was merely one. I doubt it's important, but "there was a PC soundcard called the Forte released around 2009" is now on the record, for whatever it is or isn't worth. 😀

Reply 49 of 53, by RetroGamer4Ever

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I'm keeping an eye on this. I only got a brief dalliance with A3D, via a budget Compaq PC that had onboard audio and would like to experience proper A3D at it's peak, with great headphones.

Reply 50 of 53, by hard1k

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Then you've come to the right place! 😀 The project is alive although on a small hold due to global silicon shortage (and longer lead times) and vacations of our chief hardware engineer. I hope to have some news later in September or October, stay tuned.

New sound card project: AWE64 Legacy
Fortex: Vortex2+YMF744
Please have a look at my wishlist (hosted on Amibay)

Reply 51 of 53, by Dr.Yak

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This looks like an interesting card. Using this post so I can get updates.

I've been using YMF7x4-based cards, as a way to get real hardware OPL FM on modern PCIe/PCI -only motherboards.

Your point is to use it bracketless in a shared slot you said (I remember doing crazy stuff like that back in my P2B 440BX mobo days. I don't remember which the PCI and ISA cards where, only that my end result wasn't very stable thermally due to poor air circulation. 😁 )
What's your specific use case?
You have another important ISA card so you need the extra slot, and intend to route all audio through the media connectors? (Basically using this PCI card as a large improvement over motherboard's onboard audio)
Or you have an ISA sound card that will be the main audio access to outside world, and route audio through that? (Bascially using this PCI card as some kind of daughter board, but turned up to 11 ?)

Side note, not exactly related to the present card: as this card needs a PCI bridge anyway (to drive both the Aureal and the Yamaha) in theory your design could be modified to use a PCIe-to-PCI bridge and thus create some PCIe cousin of this card if somebody is interested in such a thing? (I dont know, somebody interested in having both real OPL FM and real hardware channel mixing instead of the OS' sound deamon ?)

Reply 52 of 53, by digger

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Dr.Yak wrote on 2021-10-25, 16:01:

Side note, not exactly related to the present card: as this card needs a PCI bridge anyway (to drive both the Aureal and the Yamaha) in theory your design could be modified to use a PCIe-to-PCI bridge and thus create some PCIe cousin of this card if somebody is interested in such a thing? (I dont know, somebody interested in having both real OPL FM and real hardware channel mixing instead of the OS' sound deamon ?)

That would definitely be a cool idea. 🙂

However, wasn't there a problem where more modern motherboard chipsets don't route the legacy ports (anything up to port 1000 or ox1000 or something?) to the PCIe bus anymore, so on such systems, the card would never be able to listen directly on the Adlib ports (base 0x388h)? Would that mean that such a PCIe card would work natively only in older motherboards, but on newer systems would be reachable on higher I/O ports and require some kind of port redirection TSR or software patches to work ?

By the way, your avatar gave me a bit of a throwback to that yak in Zak McKracken and the Alien Mindbenders. I haven't played that game in a long time, and I've yet to finish it. Thanks for the memory. 😅

Reply 53 of 53, by Warlord

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Theres not a market for that kind of implemention. For various reasons. not only would it probably not work, but just about any motherboard thats too new to have a PCI slot wouldnt be good for 9x gaming. Considering any board without a AGP slot is pretty aweful choice for 9x gaming anyways. These cards are not really for dos, although with a old enough motherboard DOS support might work, you really want this for late 9X windows games with API support for A3D, with some coverage for early D3D gaming which is where the XG fits in nicely.

It's a intresting concept for a card I dont know how far its along in the design stage. I would of liked to see just a fixed A3d card myself. Take a A3d and add a onboard midi wavetable, and add in a Opl3 chip to it. Since the SBpro on the A3d is pretty good it just has crappy built in midi and opl. Which is fixed by adding a wavblaster card, but your still left with bad OPL for games that dont support midi.