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First post, by Prez

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Hi everyone !
I was wondering if we can find somewhere a list with all the Toshiba portable computers/laptops with a genuine Yamaha DOS compatible soundcard inside ?
Like this one :
Toshiba 2805-s402 Ultimate retro gaming laptop

I began some years ago a list of DOS sound compatible hardware here : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18X3ux … #gid=1535292518
You may find some answers, and we can add together some items, just ring me 😀

Best regards
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Last edited by Prez on 2022-04-15, 09:17. Edited 2 times in total.

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Reply 1 of 16, by Tiido

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Toshiba Portege 3020CT has YMF719 in it and works good in DOS. Sound quality is ass though, lot of "thinking" noises.

T-04YBSC, a new YMF71x based sound card & Official VOGONS thread about it
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Reply 2 of 16, by keropi

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Tiido wrote on 2022-04-10, 09:32:

[...] lot of "thinking" noises.

how else will you know that the system works?!
this is a feature, not a deficiency!
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Reply 3 of 16, by matze79

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Tiido wrote on 2022-04-10, 09:32:

Toshiba Portege 3020CT has YMF719 in it and works good in DOS. Sound quality is ass though, lot of "thinking" noises.

Sure it is not a "aging issue" ?

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Reply 4 of 16, by Tiido

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It is due to no regard to avoiding digital currents passing analog references. There are no aging components in the machine, all solid capacitors and whatnot. I even tried to do some mods to rule it out but it comes from just really poor layout. It is a very small machine with incredibly cramped motherboard, packed full of parts. Ultrabook of its time pretty much 🤣

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Reply 5 of 16, by chiveicrook

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Toshiba/Dynabook still lists all datasheets of old notebooks. Someone extremely bored might want to go model by model and list them somewhere 😀
Sat Pro 440 for example: https://support.dynabook.com/support/staticCo … omTOCLink=false

Reply 6 of 16, by Prez

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chiveicrook wrote on 2022-04-10, 20:07:

Toshiba/Dynabook still lists all datasheets of old notebooks. Someone extremely bored might want to go model by model and list them somewhere 😀
Sat Pro 440 for example: https://support.dynabook.com/support/staticCo … omTOCLink=false

Great !
Lets go model by model 😁 😁

what do you do for the next week ? 😉

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Reply 7 of 16, by chiveicrook

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Prez wrote on 2022-04-11, 07:44:
Great ! Lets go model by model :D :D […]
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chiveicrook wrote on 2022-04-10, 20:07:

Toshiba/Dynabook still lists all datasheets of old notebooks. Someone extremely bored might want to go model by model and list them somewhere 😀
Sat Pro 440 for example: https://support.dynabook.com/support/staticCo … omTOCLink=false

Great !
Lets go model by model 😁 😁

what do you do for the next week ? 😉

As an engineer I always strive to find the laziest approach to solve a problem 😀, so I found a shortcut:
Drivers page for 440CDT included "OS/2 Sound driver for Yamaha OPL3-SAx".
And it listed "all applicable models":

Satellite 220CDS Satellite 225CDS Satellite 305CDS Satellite 310CDS Satellite 310CDT Satellite 315CDS Satellite 315CDT Satellite […]
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Satellite 220CDS
Satellite 225CDS
Satellite 305CDS
Satellite 310CDS
Satellite 310CDT
Satellite 315CDS
Satellite 315CDT
Satellite 320CDS
Satellite 320CDT
Satellite 325CDS
Satellite 330CDS
Satellite 330CDT
Satellite 335CDS
Satellite 335CDT
Portege 300CT
Portege 320CT
Portege 660CDT
Tecra 520CDT
Tecra 530CDT
Tecra 550CDT
Satellite Pro 440CDT
Satellite Pro 440CDX
Satellite Pro 445CDT
Satellite Pro 445CDX
Satellite Pro 460CDT
Satellite Pro 460CDX
Satellite Pro 465CDX
Satellite Pro 470CDT
Satellite Pro 480CDT
Satellite Pro 490CDT
Satellite Pro 490XCDT
libretto 100CT
libretto 110CT
libretto 50CT
libretto L70CT
Equium 6260M

I guess that all of them are guaranteed to have decent DOS compatibility since OPL3-SAx is great in this regard.

EDIT: 550CDT looks particularly interesting. 266MMX with OPL3-SA3 and 4MB S3 Virge MX
EDIT2: Or even better 490CDT, p2 233, S3 Virge MX and OPL3-SA3

EDIT3:
Couple more interesting models:
Tecra 750CDT OPL3-SA3 + OPL4-ML2
Tecra 750CDM OPL3-SA3 + OPL4-ML2
Tecra 750DVD OPL3-SA3 + OPL4-ML2
Tecra 780CDM OPL3-SA3
Tecra 780DVD OPL3-SA3

Reply 8 of 16, by chiveicrook

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And now a non-exhaustive list of Toshibas with ESS688 + YMF262:

Satellite 200CDS Satellite 205CDS Portege 610CT Portege 620CT Tecra 700CS Tecra 700CT Satellite Pro 400CDT Satellite Pro 400CS S […]
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Satellite 200CDS
Satellite 205CDS
Portege 610CT
Portege 620CT
Tecra 700CS
Tecra 700CT
Satellite Pro 400CDT
Satellite Pro 400CS
Satellite Pro 405CS
Satellite Pro 410CDT
Satellite Pro 410CS
Satellite Pro 415CS
Satellite Pro 420CDS
Satellite Pro 420CDT
Satellite Pro 425CDS
Satellite Pro 425CDT
Satellite Pro 430CDS
Satellite Pro 430CDT
Satellite Pro 435CDS

Reply 9 of 16, by dank0

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Oh Oh - I really like the 550CDT thanks for posting this (I will get one). I really have weak spot for small Librettos 😀 I love the sizes of the machines

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Reply 10 of 16, by MAZter

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Here some laptops with SB cards, I know:

OPL-SAx/OPL-SA3:

Toshiba Libretto FF1100 (P266MMX/7.1" 800x480/ NeoMagic 2160 2Mb)
Toshiba Tecra 8000 (not YMF754, as listed in Prez's list)
Toshiba Portege 3015CT (P266/10.4" 800x600 TFT/NeoMagic 2160 2Mb)
Toshiba Portege 3000 (P233/10.4" 800x600 TFT/NeoMagic 2160 2Mb)
Toshiba Portege 6000 (P266MMX/12.1" 800x600 TFT/NeoMagic 2160)
Toshiba Portege 7000 (PII266/12.1" 800x600 TFT/MagicGraph128XD NM2160 2.5Mb)
Toshiba Portege 7010 (PII00/12.1" 800x600 TFT/MagicGraph128XD NM2160 2.5Mb)
Mitsubishi Apricot EL (P150MMX/800x600 TFT/Chips&Tech 65550 1Mb)
TwinHead SlimNote P79TE 9TE-200TZ (P200MMX/12" 800x600 TFT/Chips&Tech 65554 2Mb)
Asus L7300 (Celeron 300/13.3" TFT/Silicon Motion SM910 4Mb with no screen stretch at all)
Panasonic CF-71 (PII300/13.3" TFT/MagicMedia 256AV NM2200 2.5Mb)
Toshiba Tecra 780CDM (PII266/13.3 1024x768 TFT/S3 Virge/MX 3D 4Mb)

YMF744:

Toshiba Satellite Pro 4280XDVD (PIII500/14.1 1024x768 TFT/S3 Savage IX 8Mb)
Toshiba Tecra 8100 (not YMF754, as listed in Prez's list)
Fujitsu FMVNE243L3 (Celeron 433Mhz/14.1" 1024x768 TFT/ATI RAGE Mobility P 4Mb)
Sony PCG-F480 (PIII600/15" 1024x768 TFT/MagicMedia 256AV NM2200 2.5Mb)
Sony Vaio PCG-XG38 (PIII700/13.3 TFT/S3 Savage IX M7 8Mb)

YMF754:

Sony Vaio PCG-SR5K PCG-3112 (PIII500/10.4 TFT/MagicMedia 256AV+ NM2230 3Mb)
Sony Vaio PCG-SR9/K (PIII600/10.4" TFT/MagicMedia 256XL+ NM2388 6Mb)
Sony Vaio PCG-SR9C/K PCG-3214 (PIII700/10.4 TFT/S3 Savage IX+MV 8Mb)
Toshiba 2805-S202 (PIII700/14.1 TFT/S3 Savage IX M7 8Mb)

YMF752:

Toshiba Portege 3440CT

Analog Devices AD1848KST+Yamaha OPL YMF262 (WSS with SB emulation via wssxlat.exe):

Toshiba T4850CT (486 DX4 75Mhz/10.4" 640x480 TFT/WD PVGA1A 1Mb)
Toshiba T4900CT (P75/10.4" 640x480 TFT/Chips&Tech 65545 1Mb)

ES1488:

Samsung Sens 800 (P90/10.4" 640x480 TFT/Cirrus Logic GD-754X 1Mb)

ES688:

Nec Versa 4000C (P75/10.1" 640x480 TFT/Chips&Tech 65540 1Mb)

ESS 1668:

Compaq LTE5280 (P120/11.2 800x600 TFT/Cirrus Logic 7543 1Mb)

ESS 1688:

Sony Vaio PCG-505V (P300MMX/10.4 800x600 TFT/MagicGraph 128ZV+ NM2097B 2Mb)

ESS 1868/1869:

Fujitsu Monte Carlo (P120/11.3" 800x600 TFT/Trident 2Mb)
Fujitsu 635T (P133/Chips&Tech 65550 2Mb)
Hitachi Mx133T (P133/12.1" 800x600 TFT/Chips&Tech 65550 2Mb)
Fujitsu FMV-5133NA6 (P133MMX/12.1 800x600 TFT/Trident Cyber 9397 4Mb)
Sanyo Winkey MBC-G2F(S) (Celeron 266/10.4 TFT/Trident Cyber 9388 2Mb)
TwinHead SlimNote VX P88T VX2/PII300/12.1 800x600 TFT/Trident Cyber9388 2 Mb)

ESS 1887:

Dell Latitude Xpi CD (P166/10.2" 800x600 TFT/NeoMagic 2093 1Mb)

ESS 1888:

Dell Latitude Xpi (P133MMX/10.2" 800x600 TFT/NeoMagic 2070 896Kb)

ESS 1878/1878S:

Fujitsu Stylistic 1200 (P120/8" 640x480 TFT/NeoMagic 2093 1Mb)
Micron XKE (P166MMX/13.3" 1024x768 TFT/NeoMagic 2160 2Mb)

ESS 1879:

Micron XKE (P233-266MMX/13.3" 1024x768 TFT/NeoMagic 2160 2Mb)
Sony Vaio PCG-C1X (P233MMX/8.9 1024x480 TFT/MagicMedia 256AV NM2200 2.5Mb)

ESS ES1938 or ES1940 or ES1869:

Fujitsu Siemens Mobile Scenic 750AGP (PII366/13.3" 1024x768 TFT/3D Rage LT Pro 4Mb)

Opti 82C930:

Sager Model 86 / also known as "Vist" (P120/Chips&Tech 65548 1Mb)

CS4237:

Samsung Sens 520 (P150MMX/12" 800x600 TFT/Cirrus Logic 7548 2Mb)

CS4232:

Toshiba Tecra 510CDT (P133/12.1" 800x600 TFT/Chips&Tech 65550 2Mb)

Maestro-2E (ES1968/ES1978):

Toshiba Portege 3110CT (PII300/10.4 800x600 TFT/Trident Cyber9525DVD 2.5Mb)
Nec Versa LX (P233-266MMX/12.1 -14.1 800x600-1024x768 TFT/3D Rage LT Pro 4Mb)
Toshiba Portege 3330V C33/1A8 (Celeron 333/11.3" 800x600 TFT/MagicMedia 256AV NM2200 2.5Mb)
Nec Versa SX (Celeron 366/13.3" 1024x768 TFT/Trident Cyber 9388 2Mb)
Hitachi FLORA 220CX NP8 (PII300/10.4 800x600 TFT/Chips&Tech 69000 2Mb)
Compaq Armada M700 (PIII700/14.1 1024x768 TFT/ATI RAGE Mobility P 8Mb)

YMF753 (AC97 only):

Toshiba Satellite 5005-S504

NM2200 (AC97 only):

Dell Latitude Cpi A400XT

Cirrus Logic CS 4299 (AC97 only):

Thinkpad T23 2647
Fujitsu LifeBook C-4120

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Reply 11 of 16, by Prez

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Hi everyone !
You are the best, i love you 😉

I will update my google sheet (lol) up there will everything gathered here, that's very promising, thank you so much !

Best regards
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Reply 12 of 16, by creepingnet

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matze79 wrote on 2022-04-10, 10:08:
Tiido wrote on 2022-04-10, 09:32:

Toshiba Portege 3020CT has YMF719 in it and works good in DOS. Sound quality is ass though, lot of "thinking" noises.

Sure it is not a "aging issue" ?

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Reply 13 of 16, by Prez

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Hi everyone !
Major update of my google sheet here : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18X3ux … #gid=1535292518

I did finished yet to include every data you gave MAZter, thanks a lot too !

Best regards
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Reply 14 of 16, by Warlord

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Prez wrote on 2022-04-15, 07:50:
Hi everyone ! Major update of my google sheet here : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18X3ux … #gid=1535292518 […]
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Hi everyone !
Major update of my google sheet here : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18X3ux … #gid=1535292518

I did finished yet to include every data you gave MAZter, thanks a lot too !

Best regards
Philippe Dubois

Your listing for the 2805-s503 is incorrect. Spec sheet says as much.
https://support.dynabook.com/support/staticCo … omTOCLink=false

2800-500 800 Mhz Rare EU Version Original, Sound Yamaha 754, Video Geforce 2 GO
2805-s402 850mhz PIII Original US Version, Sound Yamaha 754, Video Geforce 2 GO
2805-s503 900Mhz PIII 1st Refresh Version, Sound Yamaha 754, Video Geforce 2 GO
2805-s603 1000Mhz PIII Last Refresh Version, Sound Yamaha 754, Video Geforce 2 GO

Reference
Toshiba 2805-s402 Ultimate retro gaming laptop

Reply 15 of 16, by dank0

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I just got My Toshiba 550cdt - the only issue i have with this laptop is missing small speakers. Do you guys know which speakers are inside? Maybe i can find something similar on AliExpress.

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Reply 16 of 16, by MAZter

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dank0 wrote on 2022-04-25, 10:11:

Do you guys know which speakers are inside? Maybe i can find something similar on AliExpress.

https://www.impactcomputers.com/p000268850.html
https://www.impactcomputers.com/p000264110.html

Prez wrote on 2022-04-15, 07:50:

I did finished yet to include every data you gave MAZter, thanks a lot too !

You are welcome.

One more Sony to add to list, contain clear Yamaha YMF-744 chip:

Sony Vaio PCG-Z505JE (PIII 500Mhz , 12.1"TFT, MagicMedia 256AV+ 3Mb) great, very powerfull machine

It is not entirely clear what problems could be with Maestro-2E, most games work fine with this card.

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