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Reply 60 of 193, by dexvx

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Ok... is the Radeon 9700 Pro supposed to be slower than a GeForce 4 Ti4600? I always remember the Radeon 9700 Pro as being WAAAY better than the GeForce 4's.

Here's my result (same system as my posted Ti4600 results).

242.3 fps, dexvx, Hercules Radeon 9700 Pro 325/620 (stock, Cat 10.2), P4 3.06/133 (stock, 1C/1T), Asus P4S533 (SiS 645DX), 1GB DDR 333

Edit: Hmph, looks like it's about on par (4% faster) in Q3A at 1024x768x32. Wonder why mine is slower. Maybe SiS P4 chipset?

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Reply 61 of 193, by slivercr

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dexvx wrote:
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Ok... is the Radeon 9700 Pro supposed to be slower than a GeForce 4 Ti4600? I always remember the Radeon 9700 Pro as being WAAAY better than the GeForce 4's.

Here's my result (same system as my posted Ti4600 results).

242.3 fps, dexvx, Hercules Radeon 9700 Pro 325/620 (stock, Cat 10.2), P4 3.06/133 (stock, 1C/1T), Asus P4S533 (SiS 645DX), 1GB DDR 333

Edit: Hmph, looks like it's about on par (4% faster) in Q3A at 1024x768x32. Wonder why mine is slower. Maybe SiS P4 chipset?

www.anandtech.com/show/947/22

In the q3a SMP scaling thread I get "parity" between a 9800 Pro and a Ti4600 when SMP is disabled, and the Ti4600 is faster with SMP enabled. Seems ok that the 9700 Pro is a tad slower.

No clue as to why, though.

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Reply 62 of 193, by appiah4

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ATI OpenGL drivers most likely. There is also the fact that the Q3 engine greatly predates the Radeon 9700 and DirectX9, it was built using OpenGL1.x which was probably not something ATI particularly bothered optimizing for in 2002. Also, that pesky P4 is basically cpu bottlenecking the 9700 which can easily scale further with an Athlon64 whereas the Ti will likely not.

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Reply 63 of 193, by dexvx

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I'm blaming the SiS chipset for now, I know the 645DX is quite a bit slower than the more expensive i850/E. I've seen some benchmarks where the i850E it is 20% faster with PC1066 RDRAM. Unfortunately, my TH7II bios is corrupt, so I have no way of using my only i850. Need to find someone with a bios flasher locally.

Reply 64 of 193, by slivercr

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dexvx wrote:

I'm blaming the SiS chipset for now, I know the 645DX is quite a bit slower than the more expensive i850/E. I've seen some benchmarks where the i850E it is 20% faster with PC1066 RDRAM. Unfortunately, my TH7II bios is corrupt, so I have no way of using my only i850. Need to find someone with a bios flasher locally.

I dont think its the chipset being "slow", since I have similar results with an i840 based motherboard: your PC is a faster platform than mine, it just moved the maximum FPS up but kept the trend of the ti4600 being a bit faster.

I think it has to do more with the drivers you are using and the resolution being tested. The trend will persist until the Ti4600 cannot handle the resolution, if you test at 1080p the 9700 Pro will be faster by far, for example.

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Reply 65 of 193, by leileilol

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*cough*/r_primitives 2*cough*

A lot of the judgment against ATI had to do with the compiled vertex array extension not being properly detected by the game on their cards making it pick a slow path (r_primitives 1 uses this fallback mode).

by the way, DOSBox is not for running Windows 9x

Reply 66 of 193, by slivercr

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leileilol wrote:

*cough*/r_primitives 2*cough*

A lot of the judgment against ATI had to do with the compiled vertex array extension not being properly detected by the game on their cards making it pick a slow path (r_primitives 1 uses this fallback mode).

Ahh, cool! I'll play with this over the weekend.

You are very knowledgeable of these things, are there any other card specific console settings one should keep in mind?

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Reply 67 of 193, by leileilol

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Probably r_ext_compress_textures. That defaults to 1 as S3 cards need it and id didn't foresee any other card adopting S3TC at the time. It can be safely set to 0 on 32mb+ cards

The rest of the renderer cvars only really matter for earlier video card generations (and are often misled on many "q3 tweak config" pages)

by the way, DOSBox is not for running Windows 9x

Reply 68 of 193, by Fusion

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I agree with leileilol, those tweak guides were poison to my framerates back in the day all because I didn't know any better. 🙁 There are very few q3config tweaks that do much at all.

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Reply 69 of 193, by Ponjiayulady

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I also test quake iii with my old stuffs
I'm happy to get my old p3 1Ghz slot1 working again 😀

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here is my result:
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Reply 70 of 193, by silikone

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How come Quake 3 benefits so much from a Geforce 3 over a Geforce 2 compared to other titles?

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Reply 71 of 193, by appiah4

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silikone wrote:

How come Quake 3 benefits so much from a Geforce 3 over a Geforce 2 compared to other titles?

It's built around the idea of using programmable shaders, something GF2 lacks.

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Reply 72 of 193, by lazibayer

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Just for laughs...
2.7 FPS, Rage Pro AGP 2x 8MB, K6-3+ 450 OC 133x4.5=600, 256MB PC133 2-2-2, P5A-B, Windows XP, stock driver, 1024x768, 16bit color, 32bit texture.
17.8 FPS, Rage Fury (128GL) 32MB, K6-3+ 450 OC 133x4.5=600, 256MB PC133 2-2-2, P5A-B, Windows XP, driver version 6.13.3279, 1024x768, 32bit color, 32bit texture.
26.5 FPS, FireGL2 64MB @PCI mode, K6-3+ 450 OC 133x4.5=600, 256MB PC133 2-2-2, P5A-B, Windows XP, driver version 6.12.10.2106, 1024x768, 32bit color, 32bit texture.

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Reply 73 of 193, by dexvx

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appiah4 wrote:
silikone wrote:

How come Quake 3 benefits so much from a Geforce 3 over a Geforce 2 compared to other titles?

It's built around the idea of using programmable shaders, something GF2 lacks.

Also at 1024x768x32, we start to see the effects of GF3's LMA (reducing draws/z-buffer compression).

Reply 74 of 193, by silikone

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appiah4 wrote:
silikone wrote:

How come Quake 3 benefits so much from a Geforce 3 over a Geforce 2 compared to other titles?

It's built around the idea of using programmable shaders, something GF2 lacks.

I'm ignorant on this front, but I thought these shaders in the game were all software, separate from the programs that the NV20 can run.

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Reply 75 of 193, by spiroyster

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silikone wrote:
appiah4 wrote:
silikone wrote:

How come Quake 3 benefits so much from a Geforce 3 over a Geforce 2 compared to other titles?

It's built around the idea of using programmable shaders, something GF2 lacks.

I'm ignorant on this front, but I thought these shaders in the game were all software, separate from the programs that the NV20 can run.

Yeah, the're not fragment shaders. It's a homegrown 'shader' system (mainly glorified texture combiners/multi-stage). so I would have thought any gains would come from increased texture performance and not inclusion of hardware accelerated programmable shaders.

Reply 76 of 193, by dexvx

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leileilol wrote:

*cough*/r_primitives 2*cough*

A lot of the judgment against ATI had to do with the compiled vertex array extension not being properly detected by the game on their cards making it pick a slow path (r_primitives 1 uses this fallback mode).

Probably r_ext_compress_textures. That defaults to 1 as S3 cards need it and id didn't foresee any other card adopting S3TC at the time. It can be safely set to 0 on 32mb+ cards

with \r_primitives 2\

245.2 fps

with 'r_ext_compress_textures 0' (with restart)

245.4 fps

with both 'r_primitives 2' and 'r_ext_compress_textures 0'

245.1 fps

I think I'm platform bottlenecked. Man, I really need to fix my TH7II.

Reply 77 of 193, by Fusion

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Beat my old score! 🤣

51.6 FPS, Fusion, Voodoo3 3000 16MB PCI @ 195/195, Pentium III 800EB, Intel 810e, 384MB PC133, WinMe

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Reply 78 of 193, by SPBHM

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all stock apart from the e2140.
816.3 FPS, SPBHM, Radeon HD 5850, Core i5 2310, H61, 8GB DDR3 1333 DC, Win 10 x64
301.7 FPS, SPBHM, Radeon HD 4670 DDR2 (750/400) PCIe, Pentium E2140@2133MHz, VIA P4M900, 3GB DDR2 533 SC, Win 7 SP1 x86

114.1 FPS, SPBHM, Geforce 8400GS G98 PCI, Pentium 4 2.4B, 845PE, 512MB DDR 333, Win XP SP3
(if I OC the CPU to 3GHz it gets 121FPS, if I OC the VGA to 675/580, up from stcok 567/500 it gets 131FPS, interesting that the 9250 PCI is clearly faster)

40.0 FPS, SPBHM, Voodoo 4 4500 PCI, Pentium 3 750MHz, 440BX, 256MB PC100, Win 98SE
(using 16bit to compare with the V3 resulted in 59.1, both with default GL driver, Voodoo GL driver doesn't seem to work)

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Reply 79 of 193, by MordekaiZeyo

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147.7 FPS, MordekaiZeyo, Galaxy Geforce 6600 GT 128 MB AGP, Intel Pentium 3-S 1266 Mhz, ECS P6S5AT with SiS 635T Chipset, 512 MB DDR-RAM, Windows 2000 Pro SP4

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1024x768 in fullscreen. I was lazy to take screenshot so i did with my smartphone. 🤣

I get about the same FPS on ALL screen resolutions in Quake 3 Arena.

About 150.8 FPS on 640x480 and about 144.x FPS somewhat on 1920x1080... It's limited by CPU funnily.

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