agent_x007 wrote:

Crysis can't even start on this GPU (it works fine on 9800 XT).

Crysis might "work" on 9800XT, but I'm sure it doesn't work "fine" 😀
When Crysis was launched I had a 6800 Ultra and it ran like crap on that card. And 6800 Ultra is much faster than 9800XT (in some games in high resolution even more than twice the performance of 9800XT).
For Crysis to work "decent" you need at least 9600GT/8800GT and a good dual core CPU.

Anyway, I doubt anyone buys 5800 Ultra because it's faster than another card, the card is a "collectible item" because it was something "special" and it was produced in limited quantity, it also was quite expensive. And now it's rare.

If you want speed you buy 7600GT AGP, it's common, it's cheap and it's much faster than 5800 Ultra or 5950 Ultra or 9800XT. For a given AGP platform, of course.

If a card was a failure when it launched it doesn't mean it will be cheap years later, it's quite the opposite. It means that he card will probably not sell too good, therefore it will be rare. And, usually, things that are rare become expensive.

I ran crysis fine on an integrated hd 3200 back then. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZoIydnQiDk. Enjoy what you got or keep being unhappy.

FX5800U was always a very uncommon card here in The Netherlands.
It was almost as if they didn't even exist, basically all 5900U and 5959U were WAY more common.

And it's kinda legendary. I'm not so sure about how practical the 5800U is. I think it's more some kind of curiosity.

Kinda wish I had one now, but frankly I don't really miss having one either. And to me it's definitely not worth such insane pricing 🤣 but to each his own 😀

RaverX wrote:

Crysis might "work" on 9800XT, but I'm sure it doesn't work "fine" 😀

Crysis barely works "fine" even on an 8800 GTX. Especially in the alien sections of the game. I don't think it ran "fine" until I got a Radeon HD 6950. 😎 You also need a lot of CPU power because it is very heavy on draw calls.

Radeon 9500 - X850 aren't so hot for D3D 9 after about 2005. Their Shader Model 2 limitation causes a number of games to run without some effects, or not run at all. Crysis will be missing some things. Bioshock doesn't run. Oblivion loses some effects. Etc. I don't think any Unreal Engine 3 games run on SM2 cards.

Holy gonads, that second 5800 just went for $2800AUD....can anyone think of a more valuable single component? Maybe Adlib Gold?

RaverX wrote:

Crysis might "work" on 9800XT, but I'm sure it doesn't work "fine" 😀
When Crysis was launched I had a 6800 Ultra and it ran like crap on that card. And 6800 Ultra is much faster than 9800XT (in some games in high resolution even more than twice the performance of 9800XT).

With 1024x768 Icy/Frosty levels MAY be possible (kinda hard to tell, since I actually tested jungle only).

GeForce 6000/7000 series aren't good match for Crysis.

X850 XT PE for comparison :

Radeon X1000 series is A LOT better.

I take the view that 2006 is the cutoff for retro computing, anything after that, starting with 2007 games like Crysis, should be played on a current day modern computer. I suspect PCs in 10 years from now will still be compatible with DX10 and games from 2007, and they might even be able to run Crysis at full detail > 60fps.

@agent_x007

9800/X850 would run a less demanding SM2 path. GF6/7 have poor SM3 performance but at least they have it! X1000 Radeons are much better designed for SM3 than GF6/7.

swaaye wrote:

@agent_x007

9800/X850 would run a less demanding SM2 path. GF6/7 have poor SM3 performance but at least they have it! X1000 Radeons are much better designed for SM3 than GF6/7.

If NV got that memo few years back, they could have forced Crysis SM2.0 path on GF6/7 series... seriously I feel like FX and DX8/DX9a support all over 😁
I know it's good to have features (it makes things easy with later games, example : Bioshock 1).

Here's a good sidenote to end this slight OT : LINK 😀

Ha, Phil made a video out of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIWde5VugNM

agent_x007 wrote:

@up That Q3A score... here's one with newer drivers and A LOT beter CPU : Radeon 9800 XT : […]
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@up That Q3A score... here's one with newer drivers and A LOT beter CPU :
Radeon 9800 XT :

Demo001 Radeon 9800 XT mini.png

GeForce FX 5950 Ultra (newer, but I did compare it to fastest Radeon 9800 there is) :

Demo001 GF FX 5950 Ultra mini.png

FX indeed lost in Doom3 and all 3DMark tests (99-06).
Crysis can't even start on this GPU (it works fine on 9800 XT).

No wonder.. the FX is just crap 😀

I bought an fx back then for graphics programming on a budget. Wasn't disappointed.

vvbee wrote:

I bought an fx back then for graphics programming on a budget. Wasn't disappointed.

I saw on OpenGL.org there were people very interested in the FX 5200 for that reason. A cheap way to experiment with the newer technologies.

I found it funny how much some hardware junkies are willing to pay for a horrible cooler and some stickers (Quadro FX vs GeForce FX).

appiah4 wrote:

No. They were NOT. They Really Were NOT. They were a match for the R300 at best case scenarios and got demolished when AA AF came into question.

This whole misconception that NV30 was actually good for anything is really funny, it's a testament to how good nV marketing always was I suppose. The card was a hot pile of stinking shit.

Saw it first hand in mid 2004, now ATI released later drivers to bring the R300 OpenGL performance up but that was in 2006, well after these cards where relevant. We did Lan parties during high school. One buddy had an FX5900XT and one had an Radeon 9800 Pro, in games like FarCry or CSS the 9800Pro would smoke the 5900XT, but in titles like Elite Force II, UT2003, Quake III the buddy with the FX5900XT with his overclock to 5950 would beat the 9800 Pro handily, by the time ATI had good OpenGL drivers everyone had moved on, the 9800Pro guy still had his 9800Pro in 2006, but the FX5900XT guy had a 7800GT