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First post, by MKT_Gundam

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I got a a MSI HETIS 865GV-E with celeron D 2.8gHz
https://www.msi.com/Desktop/Hetis_865GV ... e/Overview
This machine has only 1 2 pci slots but 1 slot is broken.
For the video card, installed a Diamond Stealth III S540 32MB.
The board feature intel Extreme Graphics 2. For win98SE games, this IGP will works well?
I have a pci voodoo 2000 and banshee but the machine is hot a lot.

Retro rig 1: Asus CUV4X, VIA c3 800, Voodoo Banshee (Diamond fusion) and SB32 ct3670.
Retro rig 2: Intel DX2 66, SB16 Ct1740 and Cirrus Logic VLB.

Reply 2 of 15, by dr.zeissler

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The i865gv-e is a faster i845gv which is a really good retro-igp.
The DOS compatibility is excellent. The features are good (s3tc).
I had an issue with "soldier of fortune", the framerate is shortly extremly low while shoot an enemy and displaying a sort of flashlight. I can't figure out what causes this.
Another thing is that there was no fullscreen in Win2k for Crack-Remakes (remakes.org).

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Reply 3 of 15, by MKT_Gundam

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I gonna try with v3 2000. I will add some extra cooling in the case.A pci fan blower like this one: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Case-System-Exhaust- … r/dp/B0043QUS7W.
Also, the P4 prescott are unlocked? The bios has option to change fsb/voltage but for celron D is locked. Maybe putting a underclocked p4 will help to lower the heat.
For DOS the on board sound (ac97 crap) features sb digital voices and the MS GM. Teste with warcrfat 1 and 2, DOOM 2 and Dark forces. In dark forces only sfx sound worked. For 3d games with S4, UT and half-life blue shift at 640x 480. Both worked fine.

Retro rig 1: Asus CUV4X, VIA c3 800, Voodoo Banshee (Diamond fusion) and SB32 ct3670.
Retro rig 2: Intel DX2 66, SB16 Ct1740 and Cirrus Logic VLB.

Reply 4 of 15, by weldum

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there are no unlocked p4 processors, all are multiplier locked, in many motherboards you can change fsb and voltage, it has nothing to do with being locked. being a prescott, it may feature speedstep, that way you can lower the multiplier, but still that computer should not be that hot.

DT: RapidCAD 40MHz, K6-2 550MHz, Duron 950MHz, C2D E7300, A6 7400K, FX 6100, PG 5400, R3 1200, R5 3600
LT: P 133MHz, C 650MHz, P3 900MHz, C 353, A N270, A N455, P4 2.6GHz, PM 1.6GHz, C N2840
TC: Vortex86 366MHz, Eden 400MHz, C7 1GHz

Reply 5 of 15, by MKT_Gundam

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weldum wrote:

there are no unlocked p4 processors, all are multiplier locked, in many motherboards you can change fsb and voltage, it has nothing to do with being locked. being a prescott, it may feature speedstep, that way you can lower the multiplier, but still that computer should not be that hot.

The case is very compact just a very small lateral fan. even the ram has heatsink.
Also the IGP from that time are based on Intel old video card?

Retro rig 1: Asus CUV4X, VIA c3 800, Voodoo Banshee (Diamond fusion) and SB32 ct3670.
Retro rig 2: Intel DX2 66, SB16 Ct1740 and Cirrus Logic VLB.

Reply 6 of 15, by zyga64

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Try P4 Nothwood. They are really much cooler without noticeable loss of performance.

1) VLSI SCAMP /286@20 /4MB /CL-GD5422 /CMI8330
2) i420EX /486DX33 /16MB /TGUI9440 /YMF718+GUS
3) i440BX /P!!!750 /256MB /MX440 /SBLive!+Vibra16s

Reply 7 of 15, by dr.zeissler

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I am using a P4 with a C100-Futro. It's a 800Mhz FSB that the machine clocks down to 400Mhz.
So instead of 2,4Ghz I only have 1,2Ghz and therefore much less TDP. (should be half so ca. 30 Watts !

Retro-Gamer 😀PowerMac 6100-66/Houdini 486/66 - G4 Cube 450/Rage128pro OS9.0.1 - Macintosh LC/Apple IIe Card OS6.0.8 - Acorn A4000 Archimedes - Unisys CWD 486/66 + Aztech Washington

Reply 8 of 15, by MKT_Gundam

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Today tested games with daemon tools. The audio streamed from the iso gets some stuter. Also the windows starting music gets stuter. I gonna try with the intel igp and pci sound card.
My options for cards are:
sb live 4670´model with gold plated conector
Ensoniq audio pci
Aureal vortex 1
I found infos about the igp
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/integrat … ance,674-4.html
https://techreport.com/review/5158/intel-865p … 865g-chipsets/9

Retro rig 1: Asus CUV4X, VIA c3 800, Voodoo Banshee (Diamond fusion) and SB32 ct3670.
Retro rig 2: Intel DX2 66, SB16 Ct1740 and Cirrus Logic VLB.

Reply 9 of 15, by dr.zeissler

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That stuttering sound within win9x is a problem my solo1 with wdm-drivers has too in that FSC-C100 (i845gv) machine.
Also some strange noises whithin unreal-engine-games are clearly audible. I'll have to do some more testing.
The extreme-gfx is still fine for retro. It can take the advantage of jazz2 640x400@8bit with the stutterung-free scrolling.

Last edited by dr.zeissler on 2018-09-11, 09:14. Edited 1 time in total.

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Reply 10 of 15, by zyga64

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MKT_Gundam wrote:

Today tested games with daemon tools. The audio streamed from the iso gets some stuter. Also the windows starting music gets stuter.

I would check DMA for harddisks first.

1) VLSI SCAMP /286@20 /4MB /CL-GD5422 /CMI8330
2) i420EX /486DX33 /16MB /TGUI9440 /YMF718+GUS
3) i440BX /P!!!750 /256MB /MX440 /SBLive!+Vibra16s

Reply 11 of 15, by MKT_Gundam

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zyga64 wrote:
MKT_Gundam wrote:

Today tested games with daemon tools. The audio streamed from the iso gets some stuter. Also the windows starting music gets stuter.

I would check DMA for harddisks first.

In the bios just have the option to assign IRQ for PNP or ISA ( the mobo dont have any ISA slots. Already changed and still the issue.
I disabled the serial and Print ports.
The "universal" driver on realtek site ( ver. 4.06) dont work.
Also the extreme graphics is just a powered vrsion of Intel 710?
http://www.vgamuseum.info/index.php/component … m/195-intel-740

Retro rig 1: Asus CUV4X, VIA c3 800, Voodoo Banshee (Diamond fusion) and SB32 ct3670.
Retro rig 2: Intel DX2 66, SB16 Ct1740 and Cirrus Logic VLB.

Reply 12 of 15, by zyga64

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MKT_Gundam wrote:
In the bios just have the option to assign IRQ for PNP or ISA ( the mobo dont have any ISA slots. Already changed and still the […]
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zyga64 wrote:
MKT_Gundam wrote:

Today tested games with daemon tools. The audio streamed from the iso gets some stuter. Also the windows starting music gets stuter.

I would check DMA for harddisks first.

In the bios just have the option to assign IRQ for PNP or ISA ( the mobo dont have any ISA slots. Already changed and still the issue.
I disabled the serial and Print ports.
The "universal" driver on realtek site ( ver. 4.06) dont work.
Also the extreme graphics is just a powered vrsion of Intel 710?
http://www.vgamuseum.info/index.php/component … m/195-intel-740

Speaking about DMA, I meant checking in Windows "device manager" for hdd/controller. Also make sure that last "Intel Inf" package is installed for this chipset.

Those PNP/ISA options in BIOS (in my opinion) are just for reserving resources not to be automatically assigned to PCI devices. Setting them to 'ISA' prevents assignment.

Extreme Graphics 2 (embeeded in i865G) is next step in their "slow" evolution of graphics chips i740->i815->i845->i865

1) VLSI SCAMP /286@20 /4MB /CL-GD5422 /CMI8330
2) i420EX /486DX33 /16MB /TGUI9440 /YMF718+GUS
3) i440BX /P!!!750 /256MB /MX440 /SBLive!+Vibra16s

Reply 13 of 15, by dr.zeissler

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inf is installed, dma is activated.

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Reply 14 of 15, by MKT_Gundam

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Just downloaded On MSI site the inf.
Also for dos gaming via windows i get sfx/voices with theses settings in games setup:
SFX: Sb irq:5 DMA:1
Music: General MIDI: 330
Tested Descent 2. In game music works
Legend of Kyrandia 2: Only MIDI music.
Tyrian 2000: only MIDI music

Retro rig 1: Asus CUV4X, VIA c3 800, Voodoo Banshee (Diamond fusion) and SB32 ct3670.
Retro rig 2: Intel DX2 66, SB16 Ct1740 and Cirrus Logic VLB.

Reply 15 of 15, by MKT_Gundam

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Removed S4 pro and put a Aureal vortex 1. No more stutters even using daemon tools. Starcraft no more stuter and mcuh better than ac97
Now another Problem: No driver for SB emulation I got the Error n. 6
EDIT after updating with intel chipset drivers from Phils and messing around the bios, i got sb emulation.

Retro rig 1: Asus CUV4X, VIA c3 800, Voodoo Banshee (Diamond fusion) and SB32 ct3670.
Retro rig 2: Intel DX2 66, SB16 Ct1740 and Cirrus Logic VLB.