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First post, by ruthan

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Hello,
does for someone working 1440p in Windows XP over HDMI with Nvidia? Im using 368.xx Nvidia driver.

I have Palit Geforce 750 TI KalmX (mini HDMi + 2x DVI-D), i tried same card model (in other machine) and cable and monitor with Windows 7 and 2560x1440p is there and working at 60Hz, but when i try same thing in Windows XP.. resolution is limited to 1080p, there is not slider to more..
I tried Plug and Plag monitor driver and right LG 27 850 inf driver, its the same. When i try DVI output (videocard) to HDMI cable there is option for 1440p, but its not working because there is probably not cable for DVI-D to HDMI with dual link - so im getting only 1280x1440, but at least option is here, in comparision to HDMI. Monitor has only HDMI input free, DP is used for other card..
I checked monitor inf file ,there is 2560x1440 resolution.. so its some Nvidia bad idea or bug? I did not expected problem here, but i really needed some monitors upgrade..

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Last edited by ruthan on 2020-12-30, 15:10. Edited 1 time in total.

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Reply 1 of 14, by ruthan

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Here are some picture and inf file (i fill add most import one later there you would see that that XP resolution is limited to 1080p later)..

Monitor specs:

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Windows 7 over same cable and Input is working fine:

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WIndow XP try over DVI-D dual link to HDMI cable, which probably can work because only single link signal is added to HDMI:

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Monitor OSD, here you can see 1280x1440 exactly half resolution probably because of single link to HDMI:

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Reply 3 of 14, by ruthan

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Thanks, what exactly means scaling? Does it mean Windows text size or what? Or some image size interpolation for keeping aspect ratio?

Hmm, i afaik there is only one Gefore 750 TI with passive cooling and it has not Displayport at all.. so probably only solution would be some driver hack, because if on same card is working with other OS, is just Nvidias luck of support in old OS..

Is there some active DVI-D to Displayport adapter for 1440p? It would mess and i would need some Dispayport Switch, but still better than nothing, my monitor has only 1 DP input and its used for main graphics card, because of Gsynch, gsynch is working on HDMI only with Geforce 2xxx/3xxx, i have Gefore 1070, so DP is only way.

Im old goal oriented goatman, i care about facts and freedom, not about egos+prejudices. Hoarding=sickness. If you want respect, gain it by your behavior. I hate stupid SW limits, SW=virtual world, everything should be possible if you have enough raw HW.

Reply 4 of 14, by ruthan

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Here are XP HDMI pictures:

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Im old goal oriented goatman, i care about facts and freedom, not about egos+prejudices. Hoarding=sickness. If you want respect, gain it by your behavior. I hate stupid SW limits, SW=virtual world, everything should be possible if you have enough raw HW.

Reply 5 of 14, by GokuSS4

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w/ DP 2540x1440 @144Hz possible?

Win10 Ryzen 7 5800X | TUF B450M-Pro | 32GB DDR4-3800 CL16 | RX 6800 XT
WinXP Core i3-3220 | H77 Pro4-M | 8GB DDR3-1600 CL9 | X1950 Pro
Win98SE Pentium E5800 | 775i65G R3.0 | 512MB DDR1-400 CL2 | X850 XT

Reply 6 of 14, by ruthan

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So far best i heard was 85Hz through DP..
Regarding of wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#Ref … _standard_video
If i read this correctly, it means max DP 1.0 - HBR mode limit..

Im old goal oriented goatman, i care about facts and freedom, not about egos+prejudices. Hoarding=sickness. If you want respect, gain it by your behavior. I hate stupid SW limits, SW=virtual world, everything should be possible if you have enough raw HW.

Reply 7 of 14, by DosFreak

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http://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/368.81/ … tes-updated.pdf

Unsupported Features Under Windows XP
DisplayPort 1.2 functionality is not supported, including increased bandwidth (HBR2
mode) and multi-display streaming.

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Reply 8 of 14, by ruthan

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I checked Radeon 7750 which has passively cooled models too.. but its performance is ~half of Geforce 750 Ti and anything faster would be noisy.

Im old goal oriented goatman, i care about facts and freedom, not about egos+prejudices. Hoarding=sickness. If you want respect, gain it by your behavior. I hate stupid SW limits, SW=virtual world, everything should be possible if you have enough raw HW.

Reply 9 of 14, by Warlord

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your drivers might be too new, Sounds strange but the older ones are better. Try to find the oldest driver that will support that card as a test and see if you can make a custom resolution to run. You actually can use HDMI port without 1080p restrictions on much older drivers. If I can think of them I'll tell you but I'm pretty sure they are older than 2xx maybe 18x or something. Might be 185 or older.

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Reply 10 of 14, by ruthan

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Hmm, Geforce 750 Ti was realeased Feb 29 2014 it you cant use older drivers for sure, unless is possible to force them on other card types..
When i try to use:
https://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx

Oldest i get is :
GeForce Game Ready Driver NVIDIA Certified 353.62 July 29, 2015

So there would be some delta.. 1 year for something a bit older, but i would be expect older than 3xx, because i thing that this series was there from Geforce 9xx launch..

Im old goal oriented goatman, i care about facts and freedom, not about egos+prejudices. Hoarding=sickness. If you want respect, gain it by your behavior. I hate stupid SW limits, SW=virtual world, everything should be possible if you have enough raw HW.

Reply 11 of 14, by Warlord

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GeForce 335.23 drivers are the earliest i could find with official support Unfortunately thats after nvidia changed the drivers to no longer allow custom HD resolutions. Maybe around after 314 they changed it.

Reply 12 of 14, by ruthan

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It seems that Techspot has driver archive even with older Nvidia drivers..
https://www.techspot.com/drivers/manufacturer … idia_geforce/3/

Im old goal oriented goatman, i care about facts and freedom, not about egos+prejudices. Hoarding=sickness. If you want respect, gain it by your behavior. I hate stupid SW limits, SW=virtual world, everything should be possible if you have enough raw HW.

Reply 13 of 14, by ruthan

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Litter summary:
332.21 - no Geforce 750 TI support, only earlier 7xx cards
334.89 - has Geforce 750 Ti support, but not Geforce 9xx support..
340.52 - still not Geforce 9xx
353 - Seems to be first with Geforce 960 support
355.69 - Seems to be first with Geforce 950 support
So 314 driver is not possible to use with these cards..

Im old goal oriented goatman, i care about facts and freedom, not about egos+prejudices. Hoarding=sickness. If you want respect, gain it by your behavior. I hate stupid SW limits, SW=virtual world, everything should be possible if you have enough raw HW.

Reply 14 of 14, by LSS10999

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A little bump on this. nVidia drivers for WinXP does not support HBR2 for WinXP (according to official release notes), so certain things won't work, namely 4K, which results in a blank screen on initial reboot after installing drivers that I have to manually edit the registry from Safe Mode to 1080p to get it working.

Also, there's a side effect with WinXP drivers. In a WinXP/Win7 dual-boot scenario using nVidia video card, booting to WinXP would somehow make the video card stuck at HBR1 mode. With a recently acquired monitor that could do 4K@120Hz (in my case, Asus XG27UQR), I would be locked out of 4K@60Hz and 1440p@120Hz even on Win7, that only 1080p@60Hz/1440p@60Hz are accessible. AFAIK this persists across system reboots and even DP cable hotplugs. Forcing the desired resolution (such as 1440p@120Hz) in this case would not work correctly, either (blank screen or reduced color ranges like 6-bit 4:2:0).

For now there's an easy workaround: Try extract video BIOS using GPU-Z on Win7, which now pauses/restarts the driver during the process. After the driver restarts, all usable resolutions would be accessible and functional. Don't know exactly what happened but it seems this procedure somehow reset the video card entirely so it operates at HBR2 mode again.

NOTE: This is purely on DisplayPort connections (should also apply to active DP-HDMI adapters as it counts as a DP connection to the video card). Not sure about pure HDMI situations, such as using native HDMI ports or maybe passive DP-HDMI adapters.

LATE EDIT (Oct 2022): Guess the problem with Windows XP driver is that the default 1080p 120Hz option is somewhat flawed, resulting in a glitched output. At least for HDMI (active DP-to-HDMI in my current configuration), creating a custom resolution of 1920x1080 using 120Hz will work fine.

As for the stuck-on-HBR1 issue, I don't seem to have the issue anymore, with an active DP-HDMI connection and reliable cables. That issue might have been a pure DP issue or was mostly cable-related.