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Reply 60 of 71, by Sphere478

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Doornkaat wrote on 2021-04-02, 07:28:
Sphere478 wrote on 2021-04-02, 06:22:

Wtf.. looks like it’s from 1998 but has a pci express bridge chip? What is this thing?

Matrox G450 PCI cards have an AGP PCI to PCI bridge chip.

What is the point of a pci to pci? Why not just eliminate the chip?

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Reply 61 of 71, by Doornkaat

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Sphere478 wrote on 2021-04-02, 15:58:

What is the point of a pci to pci? Why not just eliminate the chip?

I can only guess the G450 wasn't 5V signalling tolerant so the chip is used to reduce signal voltages on 5V 33MHz slots.
Again, no verified fact, just a guess.

Reply 62 of 71, by The Serpent Rider

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Usually that is solved with buffers (see Voodoo 4/5 PCI for example) and, to my knowledge, G450 PCI has poor compatibility with old PCI revisions and 5v only AT motherboards.

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Reply 63 of 71, by Doornkaat

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5V signalling doesn't mean the card doesn't require +3.3Vcc present on the slot so that argument can't be used to rule out that's what the chip is for.
The HiNT HB1-SE33 is also 33MHz only, why not use the 66MHz part?
Does ist help with running multiple G450 cards in one machine?

What is your theory for that chip?

Reply 64 of 71, by The Serpent Rider

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Maybe potential problems with various motherboard south bridges.

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Reply 65 of 71, by speeddemon

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Here are some I've gotten to work well on my 430TX board (Asus TX97-X):
- GeForce FX 5500 PCI (BFGR55256OCP): This is a true 128-bit FX 5500 card that runs at 290/400. This is the fastest PCI card I've had running under Win98SE with the 45.23 drivers (either install as a 5200 or mod to recognize 5500).
- Voodoo3 3000 PCI: I've had this one running in my 430TX system with a K6-III+ 500 running at 6x83MHz without any issues. It seems to run best with the 3dfx 1.04.00 drivers.
- S3 ViRGE/DX: I've used this card mostly when I wanted to run Win3.11 on my 430TX system. Worked great for what I needed it for with a PCX2 and Voodoo1 for DOS games.

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PC#1: K6-3+ 500 / Asus TX97-X / Voodoo3 / Orpheus + PCMIDI + WP32 / Win98
PC#2: P4 HT 670 / Asus P5P800 / FX5950U + V2 SLI / Audigy 2ZS + Vortex2 + X2GS / Win98
PC#3: i7-3770K / Asus P8Z77-V Pro / TITAN X / X-Fi / WinXP
PC#4: i9-9900K / Gigabyte Z390M / GTX 1070 / X-Fi Ti HD + SC-88 / Win10

Reply 66 of 71, by Repo Man11

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speeddemon wrote on 2021-08-01, 00:17:
Here are some I've gotten to work well on my 430TX board (Asus TX97-X): - GeForce FX 5500 PCI (BFGR55256OCP): This is a true 12 […]
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Here are some I've gotten to work well on my 430TX board (Asus TX97-X):
- GeForce FX 5500 PCI (BFGR55256OCP): This is a true 128-bit FX 5500 card that runs at 290/400. This is the fastest card I've had running under Win98SE with the 45.23 drivers (either install as a 5200 or mod to recognize 5500).
- Voodoo3 3000 PCI: I've had this one running in my 430TX system with a K6-III+ 500 running at 6x83MHz without any issues. It seems to run best with the 3dfx 1.04.00 drivers.
- S3 ViRGE/DX: I've used this card mostly when I wanted to run Win3.11 on my 430TX system. Worked great for what I needed it for with a PCX2 and Voodoo1 for DOS games.

I watched that video some time ago and tried to find one of those on the 'Bay for my TXP4, but I had no luck. I did purchase a 5500 that was billed as 128 bit, but on receipt I found it too was only a 64 bit card. Too bad I had already left positive feedback.

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Reply 67 of 71, by speeddemon

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Repo Man11 wrote on 2021-08-01, 01:54:
speeddemon wrote on 2021-08-01, 00:17:
Here are some I've gotten to work well on my 430TX board (Asus TX97-X): - GeForce FX 5500 PCI (BFGR55256OCP): This is a true 12 […]
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Here are some I've gotten to work well on my 430TX board (Asus TX97-X):
- GeForce FX 5500 PCI (BFGR55256OCP): This is a true 128-bit FX 5500 card that runs at 290/400. This is the fastest card I've had running under Win98SE with the 45.23 drivers (either install as a 5200 or mod to recognize 5500).
- Voodoo3 3000 PCI: I've had this one running in my 430TX system with a K6-III+ 500 running at 6x83MHz without any issues. It seems to run best with the 3dfx 1.04.00 drivers.
- S3 ViRGE/DX: I've used this card mostly when I wanted to run Win3.11 on my 430TX system. Worked great for what I needed it for with a PCX2 and Voodoo1 for DOS games.

I watched that video some time ago and tried to find one of those on the 'Bay for my TXP4, but I had no luck. I did purchase a 5500 that was billed as 128 bit, but on receipt I found it too was only a 64 bit card. Too bad I had already left positive feedback.

If it's any consolation, I have one but it's more of a novelty than being truly useful. Anything new enough to need a GPU with its feature set is better off running on a newer Pentium III or better computer. It is cool that it exists though and it allows me to run some older games with AA/AF/32bpp, but I generally prefer to play those games on my Win98 Pentium 4 system with a FX5950U.

PC#1: K6-3+ 500 / Asus TX97-X / Voodoo3 / Orpheus + PCMIDI + WP32 / Win98
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Reply 68 of 71, by Mamba

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Sphere478 wrote on 2021-03-03, 04:37:
Just a title, not a question per se. I'm formatting this post as a guide after the fact mainly. Though input is sought and appre […]
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Just a title, not a question per se. I'm formatting this post as a guide after the fact mainly. Though input is sought and appreciated.
I figure this is useful for those out there trying to decide which way they should go on their builds

here is a list of cards that I and others have gotten to work in 430hx/tx motherboards:

-Radeon 64mb 7000 pci seems to work without issues on windows ME and windows 7 using the catalyst 6.2 driver
-6200 seems to be a surefire always works at post. though has given me many issues with drivers in win9x. also reported to be missing some king of texture tech in win 9x
-x1300 seems to be a surefire always works on post but no win 9x support (that I can find) but I have yet to get the card working properly on the drivers front. epa logo artifacts on bios but not serious
-fx5500 the one I have is possibly a knockoff, the chip says 5200 under the heatsink. it works about 50/50 depending on motherboard you try it in but defaults to vga output in bios which is annoying
-s3 verge gx (old basic pci video card) works but is a very old and slow card
-TNT2 32 meg PCI card with a Asus P55T2P4 -Repoman11
-GeForce 4 MX420 64 meg card with a TXP4 -Repoman11
-Geforce MX 4000 81.98 forceware-reported by douglar
-radeon 7500 seems to work pretty well. One of the fastest options without much issues. Currently this is my top pic from this list because of performance and compatability.
-Matrox Millennium reported working by LunarG only win 95 and 3.1 tested
-Matrox Millennium II reported working by LunarG only win 95 and 3.1 tested
-Number Nine GXE64 Pro (S3 Vision 964) reported working by LunarG only win 95 and 3.1 tested
-Trident TGUI9440 reported working by LunarG only win 95 and 3.1 tested
-ExpertColor S3 Trio64V+ reported working by LunarG only win 95 and 3.1 tested
-Matrox Mystique 220 reported working by LunarG only win 95 and 3.1 tested
-Quadro NVS 280 Repoman11
-GeForce2 MX200 PCI 64MB works just fine with Windows 98SE. Woody72
-matrox g450 guillermoxt
-fire mv 2400 posts, further testing warranted

here is a list of cards with reported compatibility problems bad enough to be considered not working:

-radeon 9250 hangs at post
-8400gs no display on boot (vga not tried)
-rage 128 no display on boot (2 people report)
-gt 610 (and I assume gt520 also) no display on boot (vga not tried)
-cirris logic cl-gd5430 no display on boot
-trident tgui9680-1 no display on boot
-spitfire oti64111 no display on boot
-9800 gt on adapter no display on boot (vga not tried)
-1060 6gb on adapter no display on boot (vga not tried)
-unidentified msi low profile red card possibly geforce on adapter no display on boot (vga not tried)
-X600 on adapter. No video on post, os hangs with two cards installed.

Not tested:
-variations of fx 5500 fx 5200 I think mine is more close to a 5200 as it uses a 5200 labeled chip
-x300/x700 on adapter
-geforce 7000 series on adapter
-radeon 9000
-radeon 9100
-voodoo 5 5500
-voodoo 5 5000
-voodoo 4
-voodoo 3
-voodoo 2
-voodoo banshee
-geforce 2
-XGI Volari V3XT

give me more cards to add to this list, ones not included, and tell if you have tested them and what experience you had with them of particular interest is if they posted and if they worked in win 9x without issues. do not report any results not gotten specifically on a 586 430tx/hx setup.

related posts
ATI Rage 128 Pro Won't Post
looking for x1300 win 9x/ME driver
Best pci 2.1 non sse video card?

hope this helps someone on their build 😀

Sorry to bring back this.
Have you ever found a driver for the 6200 pci to properly work oh 430hx?
I am in XP

Thanks

Reply 69 of 71, by Sphere478

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Mamba wrote on 2023-10-05, 16:25:
Sorry to bring back this. Have you ever found a driver for the 6200 pci to properly work oh 430hx? I am in XP […]
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Sphere478 wrote on 2021-03-03, 04:37:
Just a title, not a question per se. I'm formatting this post as a guide after the fact mainly. Though input is sought and appre […]
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Just a title, not a question per se. I'm formatting this post as a guide after the fact mainly. Though input is sought and appreciated.
I figure this is useful for those out there trying to decide which way they should go on their builds

here is a list of cards that I and others have gotten to work in 430hx/tx motherboards:

-Radeon 64mb 7000 pci seems to work without issues on windows ME and windows 7 using the catalyst 6.2 driver
-6200 seems to be a surefire always works at post. though has given me many issues with drivers in win9x. also reported to be missing some king of texture tech in win 9x
-x1300 seems to be a surefire always works on post but no win 9x support (that I can find) but I have yet to get the card working properly on the drivers front. epa logo artifacts on bios but not serious
-fx5500 the one I have is possibly a knockoff, the chip says 5200 under the heatsink. it works about 50/50 depending on motherboard you try it in but defaults to vga output in bios which is annoying
-s3 verge gx (old basic pci video card) works but is a very old and slow card
-TNT2 32 meg PCI card with a Asus P55T2P4 -Repoman11
-GeForce 4 MX420 64 meg card with a TXP4 -Repoman11
-Geforce MX 4000 81.98 forceware-reported by douglar
-radeon 7500 seems to work pretty well. One of the fastest options without much issues. Currently this is my top pic from this list because of performance and compatability.
-Matrox Millennium reported working by LunarG only win 95 and 3.1 tested
-Matrox Millennium II reported working by LunarG only win 95 and 3.1 tested
-Number Nine GXE64 Pro (S3 Vision 964) reported working by LunarG only win 95 and 3.1 tested
-Trident TGUI9440 reported working by LunarG only win 95 and 3.1 tested
-ExpertColor S3 Trio64V+ reported working by LunarG only win 95 and 3.1 tested
-Matrox Mystique 220 reported working by LunarG only win 95 and 3.1 tested
-Quadro NVS 280 Repoman11
-GeForce2 MX200 PCI 64MB works just fine with Windows 98SE. Woody72
-matrox g450 guillermoxt
-fire mv 2400 posts, further testing warranted

here is a list of cards with reported compatibility problems bad enough to be considered not working:

-radeon 9250 hangs at post
-8400gs no display on boot (vga not tried)
-rage 128 no display on boot (2 people report)
-gt 610 (and I assume gt520 also) no display on boot (vga not tried)
-cirris logic cl-gd5430 no display on boot
-trident tgui9680-1 no display on boot
-spitfire oti64111 no display on boot
-9800 gt on adapter no display on boot (vga not tried)
-1060 6gb on adapter no display on boot (vga not tried)
-unidentified msi low profile red card possibly geforce on adapter no display on boot (vga not tried)
-X600 on adapter. No video on post, os hangs with two cards installed.

Not tested:
-variations of fx 5500 fx 5200 I think mine is more close to a 5200 as it uses a 5200 labeled chip
-x300/x700 on adapter
-geforce 7000 series on adapter
-radeon 9000
-radeon 9100
-voodoo 5 5500
-voodoo 5 5000
-voodoo 4
-voodoo 3
-voodoo 2
-voodoo banshee
-geforce 2
-XGI Volari V3XT

give me more cards to add to this list, ones not included, and tell if you have tested them and what experience you had with them of particular interest is if they posted and if they worked in win 9x without issues. do not report any results not gotten specifically on a 586 430tx/hx setup.

related posts
ATI Rage 128 Pro Won't Post
looking for x1300 win 9x/ME driver
Best pci 2.1 non sse video card?

hope this helps someone on their build 😀

Sorry to bring back this.
Have you ever found a driver for the 6200 pci to properly work oh 430hx?
I am in XP

Thanks

Too many driver issues with 6200.

Back then I mostly tried it on win xp

Could do more testing on ME but I don’t think 6200 is a very good choice. These days my fail proof go to is 7500 and 9200/9250 they work very well and are the fastest I have gotten to work well

The driver issues may be solvable with a cyrix mII btw

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Reply 70 of 71, by dm-

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i have a radeon 9250 256mb PCI which is faster than 9200 AGP 128mb version.

there is a couple of revisions of 9250, some of them have 5v>3.3v dc converter onboard, some not.

i have one which is working perfectly fine with my 430FX mobo (pci 2.1 5v)

Reply 71 of 71, by Mamba

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dm- wrote on 2023-10-06, 04:40:

i have a radeon 9250 256mb PCI which is faster than 9200 AGP 128mb version.

there is a couple of revisions of 9250, some of them have 5v>3.3v dc converter onboard, some not.

i have one which is working perfectly fine with my 430FX mobo (pci 2.1 5v)

Strange…
9250 pci has 64bit ram while 9200 has 128bit…
Maybe uour version is 128bit?
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