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First post, by johnyept

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I have a FX 5200 128MB, but I'm trying to find a better FX 5xxx on my country's online markets for my Windows 98SE computer, but I don't have a clue how to filter out the LE, XT or VE models. Is it explicitly mentioned in the white sticker on the backside of the graphics card? Is the memory also a clue? So far I found an FX 5500 256MB DDR in box, and an FX 5600 inside a computer case for which I asked for a more detailed photo (I also found a box for a Gainward 5600 Pro, with an ASUS 9250 inside and a XFX manual...) .

I'm sure as heck not going to find an Ultra for a reasonable price, so I'm focusing on the "normal" models. I know the Wiki says 5200 < 5500 < 5200 Ultra < 5600 < 5600 Ultra < 5700 < 5700 Ultra < 5800 < 5800 Ultra < 59x0 < 59x0 Ultra, but how big is the gap between the non-Ultra models, like 5200 vs 5500, or 5500 vs 5600?

RETRO-W95/NT4: ASUS P3B-F, P3 550, 192MB, GF2+VD2 PCI, AWE64+VIBRA128, 80GB IDE
RETRO-W98/2K: ASUS A7N8X-E, Sempron 2.8+, 512MB, FX 5700LE 256MB, SB Live! CT4830, 320GB IDE
RETRO-WXP/7: ASUS P5KPL-AM EPU, XEON E5450, 4GB, GTS 450 1GB, 120GB SSD, 1TB sATA

Reply 1 of 29, by mwdmeyer

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Bit hard to tell with the lower end FXs. I've got a newish FX5500 from ebay that is 128bit memory but only runs at 133MHz! So I doubt this is much faster than a normal FX 5200.

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Reply 2 of 29, by agent_x007

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It's all in memory rating (ns), and bus width.
Bus width can be checked visually via counting number of VRAM chips present (and their arrangement on PCB).

In general : FX 5500 should be a overclocked standard 5200 with 128-bit bus.
5600 [NV31], should be A LOT better (over 20%) than 5500 (at the same clocks) in some tests/games, since it's not based on nerfed to hell NV34 chip (if it is, someone is selling you a fake card).
5700 is 5600 but with 5900 optimisation tweaks (and GDDR3 support), and best card you can hope to get cheaply-ish on current market (unless you are unlucky enough to have 5700 and 5900 cards 20 USD apart).

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Reply 3 of 29, by Socket3

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The LE suffix only applies to the FX 5600 and 5700. "XT" applies to the 5700 and the 5900.

- LE models have a 64 bit memory bus (most but not all), so half of the vram pads are unpopulated or they are low profile cards. For normal size cards you can tell from the presence of empty memory pads on the PCB. They're budged boards. Leadtek is an exception, since they make a 128 bit FX5700LE. Apart from the smaller memory bus, LE versions are clocked a lot lower then XT or Ultra versions. In case of the 5700, LE cards run at 275 or 300Mhz, with vram running at 400 to 500Mhz

- XT denotes the "regular" version. For the 5600 and 5700, you have an LE (budget, 64 bit memory interface, slow ram), XT - "regular" version with 128 bit memory bus using either cheaper ram or midrange ram, but this depends on the manufacturer and / or revision of the card. For example Leadtek makes a 5700XT (A360) with either BGA DDR clocked at 600MHz (TDH model) or regular TSOP ram clocked at 500MHz (TD model). Both are 5700XT's. There's also a A360 Ultra model witch also uses BGA ram, covered by heatsinks - it has a larger PCB and some versions have a 4 pin molex power connector. The ram on the ultra version is clocked at 900MHz. Core clock for the XT versions ranges from 350 all the way up to 475MHz.

- VE is an ASUS thing as far as I know. After the driver is installed the card will show up as an LE, because that's what it is. That means they're usually 64 bit and are clocked low.

The FX5500 is a slightly higher clocked FX5200, but where the 5200 can be 64 or 128 bit (the memory interface), the FX5500 is usually 128 bit. They're budget cards. Unlike the Radeon 9500 and 9550 witch are based on the Radeon 9700 and 9600 respectively and have more pixel and vertex shaders then the 9000 / 9200, the 5500 has an identical core configuration to the 5200 - 4/1/4/4. The FX5700 for example has two more vertex shaders.

Here are some pics to help you identify cards by pictures:

FX5600 / 5700 LE or VE with 64 bit memory interface. Notice the empty memory pads:

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All low profile versions have 4 memory modules - two on the front and two on the back - so 64 bit memory interface. They look like this:

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Typical FX5700XT with 128 bit memory - notice it has 8 memory modules unlike the LE versions that only have 4 modules

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The leadtek 5700XT has 4 modules on the front and another 4 on the back, and it's not the only 5700XT like this. It's a good idea to ask for pictures of both sides of the cards. This applies to the 5600 as well.

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Ultra versions have large coolers on the GPU, sometimes covering the memory modules as well. The memory modules are usually BGA (small, square) and almost always covered by heatsinks. Ultra models also have larger PCB's and an auxiliary power connector:

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Reply 4 of 29, by johnyept

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Wow, thanks for all the detailed explanation! I tried to find some of that information to no avail, that is way more than I was expecting!

So 5600 it is. In the picture the 5600 is sideways and installed inside the computer, from the angle it seems to have active cooling (copper heatsink with what seems to be a fan), so I'm guessing it's not one of the weaker models, but I'll wait to see if the seller is going to post a better picture. I don't see a power connector so I'm hoping it's a normal/XT model. He's selling the tower for 20 euros, it includes a Foxconn board, P4 3.0Ghz, ATX 300w, 2x1Gb RAM, DVD-ROM drive and a removable IDE HDD Bay where the 80GB is probably installed.

EDIT: this is the picture in the ad:

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RETRO-W95/NT4: ASUS P3B-F, P3 550, 192MB, GF2+VD2 PCI, AWE64+VIBRA128, 80GB IDE
RETRO-W98/2K: ASUS A7N8X-E, Sempron 2.8+, 512MB, FX 5700LE 256MB, SB Live! CT4830, 320GB IDE
RETRO-WXP/7: ASUS P5KPL-AM EPU, XEON E5450, 4GB, GTS 450 1GB, 120GB SSD, 1TB sATA

Reply 5 of 29, by Socket3

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johnyept wrote on 2022-05-22, 22:20:
Wow, thanks for all the detailed explanation! I tried to find some of that information to no avail, that is way more than I was […]
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Wow, thanks for all the detailed explanation! I tried to find some of that information to no avail, that is way more than I was expecting!

So 5600 it is. In the picture the 5600 is sideways and installed inside the computer, from the angle it seems to have active cooling (copper heatsink with what seems to be a fan), so I'm guessing it's not one of the weaker models, but I'll wait to see if the seller is going to post a better picture. I don't see a power connector so I'm hoping it's a normal/XT model. He's selling the tower for 20 euros, it includes a Foxconn board, P4 3.0Ghz, ATX 300w, 2x1Gb RAM, DVD-ROM drive and a removable IDE HDD Bay where the 80GB is probably installed.

EDIT: this is the picture in the ad:
geforce_fx_5600.jpg

That picture is useless for identifying the video card correctly. It could be a 64 bit card witch is not worth getting. Ask for pics from both sides of the card and count the memory chips. If it only has 4 it's 64 bit and clocked low (VE/LE model). If it has 8 chips it's the regular XT version witch is OK.

Reply 6 of 29, by johnyept

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Socket3 wrote on 2022-05-22, 22:32:

That picture is useless for identifying the video card correctly. It could be a 64 bit card witch is not worth getting. Ask for pics from both sides of the card and count the memory chips. If it only has 4 it's 64 bit and clocked low (VE/LE model). If it has 8 chips it's the regular XT version witch is OK.

Yes I know, that's the only one I have so far, unless he replies to my request with more pictures. I googled for a few pictures looking for a similar cooler, caps and green coil and it might be either an ASUS or Gigabyte 5600 XT, but I can't even figure out what's the PCB color from that picture... so I'll wait (in)paciently for his reply.

EDIT: got a reply, he'll send me a picture of the graphics card's box (nice!) and a better picture of the card itself tomorrow, if all goes as expected hopefully I'll have it in my hands by tomorrow afternoon.

RETRO-W95/NT4: ASUS P3B-F, P3 550, 192MB, GF2+VD2 PCI, AWE64+VIBRA128, 80GB IDE
RETRO-W98/2K: ASUS A7N8X-E, Sempron 2.8+, 512MB, FX 5700LE 256MB, SB Live! CT4830, 320GB IDE
RETRO-WXP/7: ASUS P5KPL-AM EPU, XEON E5450, 4GB, GTS 450 1GB, 120GB SSD, 1TB sATA

Reply 7 of 29, by paradigital

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I’d be looking for a Quadro FX1000/2000/3000.

Essentially a 1000 is an FX5800 (non-ultra), and a 3000 is almost an FX5900U. In my experience Quadros are massively cheaper than their GeForce counterparts and still relatively plentiful.

There was no way in hell I was paying 5800/5900 prices, but the Quadros were an OK deal.

Reply 8 of 29, by johnyept

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paradigital wrote on 2022-05-23, 05:35:

I’d be looking for a Quadro FX1000/2000/3000.

Essentially a 1000 is an FX5800 (non-ultra), and a 3000 is almost an FX5900U. In my experience Quadros are massively cheaper than their GeForce counterparts and still relatively plentiful.

There was no way in hell I was paying 5800/5900 prices, but the Quadros were an OK deal.

Yes I also considered that option, I once searched for a Quadro FX 2000 (similar to 5900?) to no avail. Searching for only "Quadro FX" results in several PCIe/AGP cards, most of them 3xx or 5xx. The single one that fits that criteria is a Quadro FX 1100 AGP for 29 euros + 5 for postage. I'll keep an eye out for those models from now on.

RETRO-W95/NT4: ASUS P3B-F, P3 550, 192MB, GF2+VD2 PCI, AWE64+VIBRA128, 80GB IDE
RETRO-W98/2K: ASUS A7N8X-E, Sempron 2.8+, 512MB, FX 5700LE 256MB, SB Live! CT4830, 320GB IDE
RETRO-WXP/7: ASUS P5KPL-AM EPU, XEON E5450, 4GB, GTS 450 1GB, 120GB SSD, 1TB sATA

Reply 9 of 29, by johnyept

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Not the best photographer... He took a photo of the box and a partial view from the back of the card, he probably doesn't want to remove it or doesn't know how to.

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I can see "NVG31..... 128MB W/TV" and 4 chips in the back, I asked him for the complete reference on the sticker and a photo of the other side. I'll probably get another partial photo, or no reply at all... So, 4 chips on the back, probably another 4 on the front, 128MB in total, no empty memory pads. A good sign?

RETRO-W95/NT4: ASUS P3B-F, P3 550, 192MB, GF2+VD2 PCI, AWE64+VIBRA128, 80GB IDE
RETRO-W98/2K: ASUS A7N8X-E, Sempron 2.8+, 512MB, FX 5700LE 256MB, SB Live! CT4830, 320GB IDE
RETRO-WXP/7: ASUS P5KPL-AM EPU, XEON E5450, 4GB, GTS 450 1GB, 120GB SSD, 1TB sATA

Reply 10 of 29, by bofh.fromhell

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johnyept wrote on 2022-05-23, 13:36:
Not the best photographer... He took a photo of the box and a partial view from the back of the card, he probably doesn't want t […]
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Not the best photographer... He took a photo of the box and a partial view from the back of the card, he probably doesn't want to remove it or doesn't know how to.

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I can see "NVG31..... 128MB W/TV" and 4 chips in the back, I asked him for the complete reference on the sticker and a photo of the other side. I'll probably get another partial photo, or no reply at all... So, 4 chips on the back, probably another 4 on the front, 128MB in total, no empty memory pads. A good sign?

Looks a lot like this card:
https://www.newegg.com/prolink-geforce-fx-560 … 82E16814108121R
And also this one that has it labeled as an LE:
https://www.bodnara.co.kr/product/productDetail.html?no=1119
Tho it also looks -very- similar to the prolink (=pixelview) on Vgamuseum:
http://www.vgamuseum.info/index.php/cpu/item/ … geforce-fx-5600
Which has attached screenshots showing it as a proper 5600.

Reply 11 of 29, by johnyept

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bofh.fromhell wrote on 2022-05-23, 13:56:
Looks a lot like this card: https://www.newegg.com/prolink-geforce-fx-560 … 82E16814108121R And also this one that has it labele […]
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Looks a lot like this card:
https://www.newegg.com/prolink-geforce-fx-560 … 82E16814108121R
And also this one that has it labeled as an LE:
https://www.bodnara.co.kr/product/productDetail.html?no=1119
Tho it also looks -very- similar to the prolink (=pixelview) on Vgamuseum:
http://www.vgamuseum.info/index.php/cpu/item/ … geforce-fx-5600
Which has attached screenshots showing it as a proper 5600.

Thanks for the links. I've been googling for a while but couldn't find a definitive answer. The second link you posted seems to indicate that the 5600 LE models don't have a VIVO chip right under the green coil, while the "normal" model has. Since there's no indication of VIVO on the box and/or label, I'm guessing it's a 5600 LE... still better than the 5200 I currently own, I guess... He's going to take a picture of the other side in a couple of hours, so I'll know for sure, but I'll buy it anyway since it's 20 euros for the entire case, and I can always use some of the parts for other stuff. After I buy it I'll get the complete specs and compare it with the 5200 I already own just to get an idea of how big/small the gap is between the two cards.

EDIT: bought the computer yesterday, we spent about an hour reminiscing about retro computers and retro consoles 😀 I arrived late at home and didn't have time to run it through Everest Home Edition and 3D Mark 99/2000/2001, also I want to do it in my RETRO-W98 computer which was in pieces, so I only had time to barely put it back together. I'll try to run the tests tonight on both the FX 5200 and the FX 5600 so I can figure out how close/far apart they actually are, and finally to have a clue on which exact models I have.

RETRO-W95/NT4: ASUS P3B-F, P3 550, 192MB, GF2+VD2 PCI, AWE64+VIBRA128, 80GB IDE
RETRO-W98/2K: ASUS A7N8X-E, Sempron 2.8+, 512MB, FX 5700LE 256MB, SB Live! CT4830, 320GB IDE
RETRO-WXP/7: ASUS P5KPL-AM EPU, XEON E5450, 4GB, GTS 450 1GB, 120GB SSD, 1TB sATA

Reply 12 of 29, by johnyept

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OK, so I finally managed to squeeze some time to test the cards. I started with a clean dual boot installation of Windows 98SE and Windows 2000 SP4, then tried to install 45.23 and 53.04 drivers for the FX5200 but it was getting stuck on a black screen with a mouse cursor on both OSes with both drivers. I then tried with the FX5600 and it worked right away with the 53.04 drivers on both OSes, so I guess the FX5200 is on the fritz, and the passive cooler gets REALLY hot even after replacing the thermal paste... I wanted to do a comparison but I guess that's out of the question for now.

Everest shows that the FX5600 has 324Mhz/400Mhz, but after a few seconds it changes to 270Mhz/400Mhz, not sure what's that about. All benchmarks were run with default settings.

3DMark 99: 7481 (34153 CPU)
3DMark 2000: 10081
3DMark 2001 SE: 9042

Everest GPU report
--------[ EVEREST Home Edition (c) 2003-2005 Lavalys, Inc. ]------------------------------------------------------------

Version EVEREST v2.20.405
Homepage http://www.lavalys.com/
Report Type Quick Report
Computer RETRO-W98
Generator AAABBB
Operating System Microsoft Windows 98 SE 4.10.2222A (Win98 SE)
Date 2022-05-26
Time 01:36


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[ AGP 8x: Prolink GeForce FX 5600 ]

Graphics Processor Properties:
Video Adapter Prolink GeForce FX 5600
GPU Code Name NV31
PCI Device 10DE / 0312
Transistors 80 million
Process Technology 0.13u
Bus Type AGP 8x @ 8x
Memory Size 128 MB
GPU Clock 270 MHz
RAMDAC Clock 400 MHz
Pixel Pipelines 4
TMU Per Pipeline 1
Vertex Shaders 2 (v2.0)
Pixel Shaders 1 (v2.0)
DirectX Hardware Support DirectX v9.0
Pixel Fillrate 1080 MPixel/s
Texel Fillrate 1080 MTexel/s

Memory Bus Properties:
Bus Type DDR
Bus Width 128-bit
Real Clock 276 MHz (DDR)
Effective Clock 552 MHz
Bandwidth 8832 MB/s

Graphics Processor Manufacturer:
Company Name NVIDIA Corporation
Product Information http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?PAGE=products
Driver Download http://www.nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp

nVIDIA GPU Registers:
nv-000000 031200A1
nv-100000 00000000
nv-100200 030F0005
nv-10020C 08000000
nv-101000 A140E087
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Offset C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
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Offset E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

B00 D04 F00: SiS 900 Fast Ethernet Adapter

Offset 00: 39 10 00 09 07 00 90 02 91 00 00 02 00 20 00 00
Offset 10: 01 10 00 00 00 00 00 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 43 10 A7 80
Offset 30: 00 00 EE DF 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 01 34 0B
Offset 40: 01 00 02 FE 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 50: 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 60: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 70: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 80: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset F0: 91 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

B00 D0C F00: Creative SB Live! 5.1 Sound Card

Offset 00: 02 11 02 00 05 00 90 02 07 00 01 04 00 20 80 00
Offset 10: 01 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 11 61 80
Offset 30: 00 00 00 00 DC 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0B 01 02 14
Offset 40: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 50: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 60: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 70: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 80: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 01 06
Offset E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

B00 D0C F01: Creative Game Port

Offset 00: 02 11 02 70 05 00 90 02 07 00 80 09 00 20 80 00
Offset 10: 01 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 11 20 00
Offset 30: 00 00 00 00 DC 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 40: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 50: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 60: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 70: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 80: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 01 06
Offset E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

B01 D00 F00: Prolink GeForce FX 5600 Video Adapter

Offset 00: DE 10 12 03 07 00 B0 02 A1 00 00 03 00 F8 00 00
Offset 10: 00 00 00 21 08 00 00 30 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 54 15 42 11
Offset 30: 00 00 00 00 60 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0B 01 05 01
Offset 40: 54 15 42 11 02 00 30 00 1B 0E 00 1F 02 03 00 1F
Offset 50: 01 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 CE D6 23 00 0F 00 00 00
Offset 60: 01 44 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 70: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 80: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset 90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Offset F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00


--------[ Debug - Video BIOS ]------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

C000:0000 U.|.K7400.L.w.VIDEO ....$.?...IBM VGA Compatible........04/18/03
C000:0040 .................3..T.B._@@`..@........."....t..{.PMIDl.o.......
C000:0080 .....3...........NV..&..x4 1.................<.P..O..j?.?.G.F.F
C000:00C0 ..!..{.............`...0W...pZq`qxq.q.qZq................2......
C000:0100 .h..|..".......................{.|.|.|.y^~end bmp.....h.I....A..
C000:0140 .........M.e..............................U...}.................
C000:0180 ..............0u..z........n........@...n,...........n..........
C000:01C0 ..r.............0u......n,.......4...n........P...z........n....
C000:0200 ........k.r.....................k.rqPCIR............|.......GeFo
C000:0240 rce FX 5600 BIOS................................................
C000:0280 .............Version 4.31.20.34.17 ...Copyright (C) 1996-2003 NV
C000:02C0 IDIA Corp.....................................................NV
C000:0300 31 Board - P141nz ..............Chip Rev ....................
C000:0340 1.......1.......;...I.`.L.....a......ne.>...............n.....q.
C000:0380 ..8.t.....#.x...3...f`....p................u..fa.U....f`3....fa
C000:03C0 ....C.*....@.......u.........8...t......2.....t..Q.........Y.f..


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Reply 14 of 29, by Repo Man11

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That 5600 has one obviously bad capacitor and if it were me, I'd replace all of that same brand on the card ASAP.

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Reply 15 of 29, by johnyept

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Repo Man11 wrote on 2022-05-26, 02:16:

That 5600 has one obviously bad capacitor and if it were me, I'd replace all of that same brand on the card ASAP.

Yes I noticed that, and the ones on the FX5200 are even worse, it might be the reason why its malfunctioning in the first place. I just wanted to run the benchmarks first, now I'm going to replace them all on both cards. The FX5200 has 7x 6.3v 1000uF G-Luxon caps and the FX5600 has 1x 4v 510uF Sanyo cap plus 5x 6.3v 1500uF GSC caps.

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Reply 16 of 29, by RandomStranger

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You can check specs on https://www.gpuzoo.com/ I think that's the most accurate database, though not complete. Like it's missing (or at least missed at the time) my 128bit MSI FX5200.

The Techpowerup GPU database is also alright, but for older cards I find more inaccuracies there, like 256bit reference FX5700 or reference Geforce 4 Ti4800SE with SD RAM.

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Reply 17 of 29, by johnyept

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RandomStranger wrote on 2022-05-26, 06:08:

You can check specs on https://www.gpuzoo.com/ I think that's the most accurate database, though not complete. Like it's missing (or at least missed at the time) my 128bit MSI FX5200.

The Techpowerup GPU database is also alright, but for older cards I find more inaccuracies there, like 256bit reference FX5700 or reference Geforce 4 Ti4800SE with SD RAM.

Thanks for that 1st link, it helped me narrow down what card I have. I compared the Point of View FX 5600 XT (slower) vs 5600 (normal) vs 5600 Ultra (faster) and mine is definitely the middle one. So no LE, XT or VE 😁

About the caps, should I get electrolytic or polymer? The second one seems to be more effective and has a longer life span.

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Reply 18 of 29, by AlexZ

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45.23 driver is recommended for Windows 98 as it's more compatible than 53.04. I tested various drivers and settled with 45.23 in the end.

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Reply 19 of 29, by Repo Man11

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johnyept wrote on 2022-05-26, 05:53:
Repo Man11 wrote on 2022-05-26, 02:16:

That 5600 has one obviously bad capacitor and if it were me, I'd replace all of that same brand on the card ASAP.

Yes I noticed that, and the ones on the FX5200 are even worse, it might be the reason why its malfunctioning in the first place. I just wanted to run the benchmarks first, now I'm going to replace them all on both cards. The FX5200 has 7x 6.3v 1000uF G-Luxon caps and the FX5600 has 1x 4v 510uF Sanyo cap plus 5x 6.3v 1500uF GSC caps.

Very good, just making sure.

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