I've been using Quadro980XGL (ti4600 on AGPx8 bus) in my P4 W98 rig with no problems whatsoever. All games and benchmarks running smoothly and without errors.

I don't remember Furmark being around Prior to the DirectX10 era (after 2006), so it was likely never intended to be run on something as old as the Geforce4\Quadro4 series with DX8.0\OpenGL 1.3 level features.

The oldest reference I can find to Furmark online is a forum post about it back in 2007... 5 years after the Geforce4 series was released. The oldest cards that I see tested are DirectX 9\OpenGL 2.x level hardware like the Radeon X300 and Geforce 6200 series.

So, I would say this is a case of a piece of hardware being tested with the wrong software.

Jura Tastatura wrote on 2023-03-08, 13:44:

I've been using Quadro980XGL (ti4600 on AGPx8 bus) in my P4 W98 rig with no problems whatsoever. All games and benchmarks running smoothly and without errors.

That's good - I've been wanting a good 3D card again and they're pretty hard to find in working condition. They sure don't make 3D cards to last very long and all the lower end ones are absolute garbage.

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2023-03-08, 13:59:

I don't remember Furmark being around Prior to the DirectX10 era (after 2006), so it was likely never intended to be run on something as old as the Geforce4\Quadro4 series with DX8.0\OpenGL 1.3 level features.

The oldest reference I can find to Furmark online is a forum post about it back in 2007... 5 years after the Geforce4 series was released. The oldest cards that I see tested are DirectX 9\OpenGL 2.x level hardware like the Radeon X300 and Geforce 6200 series.

So, I would say this is a case of a piece of hardware being tested with the wrong software.

Yeah I figured that - I never used FurMark because it was dubbed "the card killer" back in the day due to it overheating cards so easily.

So, sometimes when a GPU is not working correctly but not fully bricked you can get a weird issue where the driver loads up and works under 2D but will report the card has zero 3D capabilities.

This being said Furmark latest is OGL 2.0 and up only, IIRC 4Ti cards only support OGL 1.4. So Furmark probably wouldn't have been useful anyways.

How expensive is this card? If it's under say $25 I'd say roll them bones. I would not pay more than $30ish. 4Ti 4200s regularly sell in that price range and every single one I've owned OC'D to at least 4400 range fine. I'd only pay $50+ for a 4600 or 4800 or the Quadro equivalent.

As for if it's good for Win9x, it should absolutely annihilate any workload from 2000 or before. The 4Ti and FX5200s are IMO the best bang for the buck you'll find for Win9x. In my experience Quadro cards usually perform nearly identically to their normal brethren, sometimes even a bit faster in OGL. Once in a while you'll find a game that doesn't like the high precision float these cards use but it rare.

It's also worth noting that IIRC you can desolder and move one single resistor, reflash the card with a 4400 BIOs, and turn it into an actual 4400. It's the same silicon running with different optimization preferences in the vBIOs and driver.

TheAbandonwareGuy wrote on 2023-03-08, 21:22:

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So, sometimes when a GPU is not working correctly but not fully bricked you can get a weird issue where the driver loads up and works under 2D but will report the card has zero 3D capabilities.

This being said Furmark latest is OGL 2.0 and up only, IIRC 4Ti cards only support OGL 1.4. So Furmark probably wouldn't have been useful anyways.

How expensive is this card? If it's under say $25 I'd say roll them bones. I would not pay more than $30ish. 4Ti 4200s regularly sell in that price range and every single one I've owned OC'D to at least 4400 range fine. I'd only pay $50+ for a 4600 or 4800 or the Quadro equivalent.

As for if it's good for Win9x, it should absolutely annihilate any workload from 2000 or before. The 4Ti and FX5200s are IMO the best bang for the buck you'll find for Win9x. In my experience Quadro cards usually perform nearly identically to their normal brethren, sometimes even a bit faster in OGL. Once in a while you'll find a game that doesn't like the high precision float these cards use but it rare.

It's also worth noting that IIRC you can desolder and move one single resistor, reflash the card with a 4400 BIOs, and turn it into an actual 4400. It's the same silicon running with different optimization preferences in the vBIOs and driver.

Nice, thanks for the heads up!

I have a Quadro 700 and I made a thread about the issue I had: Quadro 4 700 doesn't work with Windows 98 SE

Repo Man11 wrote on 2023-03-08, 21:38:

I have a Quadro 700 and I made a thread about the issue I had: Quadro 4 700 doesn't work with Windows 98 SE

Thanks - I think I know what your problem was by the way. These cards were often shipped with workstations from Dell or HP and the BIOS on these cards were specifically designed for THEIR motherboards and only tested on THEIR motherboards. It's no wonder some motherboard worked and some didn't. When you flashed the BIOS you probably applied some bug fixes that made it fail on some motherboards.

red_avatar wrote on 2023-03-09, 11:19:

Repo Man11 wrote on 2023-03-08, 21:38:

I have a Quadro 700 and I made a thread about the issue I had: Quadro 4 700 doesn't work with Windows 98 SE

Thanks - I think I know what your problem was by the way. These cards were often shipped with workstations from Dell or HP and the BIOS on these cards were specifically designed for THEIR motherboards and only tested on THEIR motherboards. It's no wonder some motherboard worked and some didn't. When you flashed the BIOS you probably applied some bug fixes that made it fail on some motherboards.

I concluded that the original BIOS wouldn't work with AGP 4x and Windows 98. AGP 4x and Windows XP worked, and AGP 2X and Windows 98 worked, but AGP 4X and Windows 98 wouldn't work until I updated the BIOS. I realized that the reason it worked in the PCChips P4 motherboard after I used the contact cleaner is that the oil in the contact cleaner increased the resistance and caused the board to put the card in 2x mode - when I removed it and cleaned the card again it bumped it back into AGP 4x mode where it again wouldn't work with Win98. The card has worked fine in every motherboard I've tested it in since updating the BIOS.