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Reply 80 of 486, by Kamerat

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ruthan wrote:

I tested Yamaha 744 on GA-Z97P-D3 with loaded DSDMA driver, driver can be loaded, but when i try to test FX i get freeze, also YMHIRQ has some problem - message found and error on next line.. Its no go, or we need some programming..

Tried running Duke Nukem 3D setup? It's usually detects the source of the problem, if it's problems with I/O, IRQ or DMA.

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Reply 81 of 486, by ruthan

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Kamerat wrote:

Tried running Duke Nukem 3D setup? It's usually detects the source of the problem, if it's problems with I/O, IRQ or DMA.

I tried Blood one, should i try Duke3D too?

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Reply 82 of 486, by dr.zeissler

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The chipset-dependencies is the strange thing here.

i815e with SOLO1(ES1938)
Dosdrivers -> Doom2/Hexen/Heretic/Duke3d/Swarrior/Blood -> DMA-Playback issue => no SFX (FM/MIDI does work)
Win98VXDdrivers => Doom2/Hexen/Heretic/Duke3d/Swarrior/Blood -> DMA-Playback issue => no SFX (FM/MIDI does work)
Win98WDMdrivers => Doom2/Hexen/Heretic/Duke3d/Swarrior/Blood -> working

i815e with YMH74x
Dosdrivers -> Doom2/Hexen/Heretic/Duke3d/Swarrior/Blood -> DMA-Playback issue => no SFX (FM/MIDI does work)
Win98VXDdrivers => Doom2/Hexen/Heretic/Duke3d/Swarrior/Blood -> not tested
Win98WDMdrivers => Doom2/Hexen/Heretic/Duke3d/Swarrior/Blood -> not tested

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Reply 83 of 486, by ruthan

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dr.zeissler wrote:

The chipset-dependencies is the strange thing here.

There is lots of variables, even board vendor could matter in theory, same as used PCI slot and of course IRQs.Bios settings and drivers.
That Yamaha pure dos FX problem, i still believe that is not working because DSDMA.exe is not loaded, after sound driver.

I have ESS-Solo 1 on the way, multiple ones so probably at least one will work.

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Reply 84 of 486, by dr.zeissler

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Today I got my Solo-1E (ES1946) that should have ESFM,SBpro and WSS. We will see...

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Reply 85 of 486, by Kamerat

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ruthan wrote:

I tried Blood one, should i try Duke3D too?

Did it just crash when trying to play samples in Blood setup?

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Reply 86 of 486, by ruthan

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Yeah, no error message, plain freeze before 1st-center sample..

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Reply 87 of 486, by dr.zeissler

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The ES1946 is compatibilty-wise the same as the ES1938. I did not get WSS working yet, but I can tell you that
the dos-soundmixer does not work anymore and that the card produces massive slowdowns and stuttering
within win9x/2k while gaming. the ES1938 is fine. So I am pretty sure that the ES1938 is in fact the best
retro pci-soundcard for dos/win3/9/2k gaming. I will perhaps go the WDM-Drivers within Win9x so that
the problematic-games work too.

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Reply 88 of 486, by dr.zeissler

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btw. the intel q33 chipset including gam 3100, what are the oldest possible drivers?
I think win9x does not work, therefore i915 should be the latest.
For win2k there is a driver for the GMA3100, but not for the hole chipset, or I am
wrong here and it starts with winXP?

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Reply 89 of 486, by ruthan

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In first post i have found this: It (means ESS 1938) works almost flawless on VIA K8T890/VT8237x based motherboards, even on Socket AM2 boards that used the chipset. K8T890 means that VT8251 soughtbridge worked.. and AM2 quite new so i theory it could be better that some Core 2 duo machines.. I did small reasearch and VIa8237 southbridge was used from Socket A years, that is good sign.
Any experience with such boards?

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Reply 90 of 486, by Srandista

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Yeah, I have VT8237S. It's not AM2 platform, but still same southbridge.

ESS Solo-1 is working flawlessly in DOS (7.1), sometime in the future I want to test it with some wavetable board too.

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Reply 91 of 486, by Kamerat

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ruthan wrote:

In first post i have found this: It (means ESS 1938) works almost flawless on VIA K8T890/VT8237x based motherboards, even on Socket AM2 boards that used the chipset. K8T890 means that VT8251 soughtbridge worked..

No, that board (GA-K8VT890) is using the VT8237R southbridge, but I'll guess the VT8251 would also work fine with the Solo-1.

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and AM2 quite new so i theory it could be better that some Core 2 duo machines.. I did small reasearch and VIa8237 southbridge was used from Socket A years, that is good sign.
Any experience with such boards?

The same southbridges were also used in socket 775 motherboards, some also supporting Core 2 CPUs like the Asus P5VD2-VM SE I got.

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Reply 92 of 486, by ruthan

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Kamerat wrote:

No, that board (GA-K8VT890) is using the VT8237R southbridge, but I'll guess the VT8251 would also work fine with the Solo-1.

Regarding of this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_VIA_chipsets
K8T890 - has VT8251, original author probably wanted to say that K8T890 + others MBs with that VT8237R southbridges are supported.

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Reply 93 of 486, by Kamerat

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ruthan wrote:

Regarding of this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_VIA_chipsets
K8T890 - has VT8251, original author probably wanted to say that K8T890 + others MBs with that VT8237R southbridges are supported.

I'll guess the southbridges are interchangeable, but VIA list the VT8237(R) for the K8T890 on their page.

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Reply 94 of 486, by LSS10999

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Kamerat wrote:
ruthan wrote:

Regarding of this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_VIA_chipsets
K8T890 - has VT8251, original author probably wanted to say that K8T890 + others MBs with that VT8237R southbridges are supported.

I'll guess the southbridges are interchangeable, but VIA list the VT8237(R) for the K8T890 on their page.

K8T890 is usually paired with VT8237 series (R/A/S). There's a K8T900 that's to be paired with VT8251.

K8T900 and VT8251 are said to be pin-compatible with K8T890 and VT8237x respectively, so they should be compatible with ES1938.

Sadly, I personally haven't really seen any motherboards actually featuring K8T900/VT8251 pair. However, it seems VT8251 exists in some mATX motherboards like this one.

Reply 95 of 486, by RayeR

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ruthan wrote:

I tested Yamaha 744 on GA-Z97P-D3 with loaded DSDMA driver, driver can be loaded, but when i try to test FX i get freeze, also YMHIRQ has some problem - message found and error on next line..

Hm, in the dump I can see that brirges cascade have enabled the subtractive decode (PCI0->PCI5, PCI5->PCI6, PCI6->Aureal) so I don't know what else could make problem, esp. when it's random - it's bad.
You can try to make PCI dumps before loading the vortex driver for multiple times and compare logs for case when it feeeze and when it didn't freeze to see it there would be any difference. Also, did you try to swap the soundcard to second PCI slot?

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Reply 96 of 486, by ruthan

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RayeR wrote:

Hm, in the dump I can see that brirges cascade have enabled the subtractive decode (PCI0->PCI5, PCI5->PCI6, PCI6->Aureal) so I don't know what else could make problem, esp. when it's random - it's bad.
You can try to make PCI dumps before loading the vortex driver for multiple times and compare logs for case when it feeeze and when it didn't freeze to see it there would be any difference. Also, did you try to swap the soundcard to second PCI slot?

I tried both slots its the same. I wonder how SMB working, is list affected by virtual drivers devices etc.. or its only HW level, because from you post it seems to that it is affected by SW too??
Because its freezing in most of the cases 80% and even when it is working it failing very quickly.. it would be hard to make those logs, it would take lots of time..

I also tried to Aureal V1 with PCI-E to PCI bridge on X58, im not 100% sure that all was connected how it should be (these adapters are clunky), but there is big change that it was.. and when i tried create log with SMB.. i got pc speaker beeping and some strange binary characters on screen freeze.. i now that it is beta, but in all other cases it worked well.

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Reply 97 of 486, by gdjacobs

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RayeR wrote:
ruthan wrote:

I tested Yamaha 744 on GA-Z97P-D3 with loaded DSDMA driver, driver can be loaded, but when i try to test FX i get freeze, also YMHIRQ has some problem - message found and error on next line..

Hm, in the dump I can see that brirges cascade have enabled the subtractive decode (PCI0->PCI5, PCI5->PCI6, PCI6->Aureal) so I don't know what else could make problem, esp. when it's random - it's bad.
You can try to make PCI dumps before loading the vortex driver for multiple times and compare logs for case when it feeeze and when it didn't freeze to see it there would be any difference. Also, did you try to swap the soundcard to second PCI slot?

Some board manufacturers included the vt8251 with later IGP models. I believe it was an inexpensive way of bumping up the feature count.

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Reply 98 of 486, by RayeR

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smb /pci use direct IO access to address all devices on PCI bus(es), it doesn't rely on PCI BIOS services. But some drivers may affect PCI devices configuration or enable/disable PCI devices. Hm, beeping speaker and screen garbage - I never seen this. PCI scan should not harm PC at all. But some HW/BIOS/SW combinations just may be unstable.

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Reply 99 of 486, by ruthan

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ESS-Solo1 at home.

Can someone pleas share proven ESS-SOLO1 (1938) pure Dos driver package? I tried 2 packages from Forum, but there is strange message during autoexec part loading:

PLease use Windows software applet to enable 
Sound Blaster, MPU4041 for real / Windows DOS

So far no success with X58 or i865 but it could be driver problem above.

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