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First post, by watson

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Since there wasn't much information available on this particular board and I recently managed to get my hands on it, I decided to make a dedicated thread and write a review. Grab some popcorn, because it's pretty long.

The board originally cost around €50 (source: https://www.ocinside.de/review/mainboard_asro … _am2nf3_vsta/3/) and I paid roughly $20 for it including shipping. Given the original price tag, you shouldn't expect premium quality.

With the latest BIOS, this board officially supports up to Phenom X4 970, but the X4 980 will work too according to reports from the web. Phenom X6 will NOT work.
I paired it with an Athlon II X2 270 clocked at 3.4 GHz. At $5.99 with shipping from Aliexpress, this is probably the best price/performance you can get right now.

Supposedly, the biggest problem this board has is incompatibility of the nForce3 chipset with newer operating systems (Vista/7) when using dual/quad core CPUs because nVidia never released a proper GART driver. This is quite funny because it has VSTA in the name and Asrock claims it to be "Worldwide the only nForce3 MB with Windows® Vista™ Premium Logo".

As for compatibility, Asrock states this:

Under Windows® Vista™ 32-bit / Vista™ 64-bit OS, this motherboard does not support ATi™ AGP card because NVIDIA® does not provide nForce3 250 relevant driver for Windows® Vista™ OS.

Of course, there was quite an outrage back in 2007 and on the GeForce forums you can find a few interesting responses from nVidia employees:

The nForce 3 chipset is not officially supported under Windows 7. The nForce3 chipset was never designed to support dual core processors. This leads to installation issues of AGP graphics cards with Windows Vista and Windows 7 if a dual core processor is used. The same problem occurs under Windows XP however the Windows XP operating system has a fall back that allows the AGP graphics card to essentially work in PCI mode which Windows Vista and Windows 7 do not have.

We are sorry for the inconvenience. The nForce3 chipset does not fully work with AMD Athlon 64 dual core processors. Under Windows XP display driver model, the display drivers were capable to downgrade to PCI mode to avoid this issue however under Windows Vista display driver model, this is not possible and that is why you get this error message. Our engineers have looked for a possible workaround for a very long time and unfortunately there was no workaround possible for this issue.

I haven't tested Windows 7 compatibility yet, but there are several lies in there.
First of all, I can confirm the board will definitely work in AGP 8X mode with Windows XP SP3 32-bit with a dual core CPU. However, you have to install a "special" nVidia All-In-One driver from Asrock's site. It's basically the latest nForce 3 driver (5.11) with a slightly older GART driver version.

Secondly, I can also confirm ATI GPUs work normally under Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS 64-bit (using the agpgart-amd64 driver). This means the chipset can indeed work with multi-core CPUs and AGP 8X using a 64-bit OS. I can't believe nVidia couldn't release a working driver, yet open source engineers were able to do it without access to full documentation. See it with your own eyes (running with the HD 3450):

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The board only has 2 SATA ports and they are SATA I. However, the system is still very fast with an SSD (the Windows XP loading "snake" will only go about half a bar before it's done).

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Finally, onto the performance.

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You can see the full gallery here: https://imgur.com/a/MDhjcgb

Here are a few observations:
- 3DMark 2000 is CPU limited to 28k-29k; in comparison, my Pentium 3.0 GHz Prescott is limited to around 11.8k, which would indicate a roughly 2.5x increase in performance
- 3DMark 2001 result is kind of bad with HD 3850, I expected above 40k given the relatively high CPU clock speed (it's barely faster than X1950 Pro)
- 3DMark03 and 06 results are very good in my opinion, they could probably go 10% higher with a faster CPU (Phenom) or faster RAM
- the HD4650 is a 1 GB DDR2 version and it sucks due to memory bandwidth (it's about on par with X800 XT)

For testing, I used 2 GB of Kingmax DDR2-800 with 6-6-6-18 timings (because I'm short on DDR2, I even had to steal this from another PC).
The memory defaults to 533 MHz for some reason, but manually setting it to 800 MHz works perfectly and uses timings from SPD. The board supposedly works even with DDR2-1066, but I don't have any such modules.
The only other setting I changed is setting the AGP aperture size to 256 MB (default is 128 MB) because I read about issues with too low AGP aperture on similar nForce 3 boards.
I had an interesting issue with the board - after turning it off, it wouldn't turn back on without cycling the PSU power switch. I presume this is some kind of ACPI issue, but I didn't bother investigating further.

No nVidia cards were benchmarked because the fastest AGP one I have is a 6600GT.

Unfortunately, there was a casualty during testing. After finishing all the benchmarks, I fired up Crysis on the X1950 Pro. I first started the game at 1024x768 to check CPU performance and everything was working fine. A few seconds after switching to 1080p it crapped out.

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I'm not sure if it's a core or memory issue (looks like core because triangles were flying all over the screen, but it might be VRAM because of the familiar pattern). These situations make me seriously reconsider the hobby of collecting old crap that has the potential to die any minute. It was the nice 512 MB Sapphire version too...

That's it for now. I will probably be trying out Windows 7 SP1 in the future just to confirm the GART driver issue. If that fails, I'll try Windows 8.1, and finally Windows 10 version 1511 (last one with AGP support).

Reply 2 of 9, by watson

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agent_x007 wrote:

Phenom II 965, Cinebench R15, I used Wraith cooler from FX-83x0 series.

Are you using a PCI to PCI-E adapter for the GT 610?
Can you confirm AGP doesn't work properly in Windows 7/10 so I don't have to waste time installing it?

Reply 3 of 9, by agent_x007

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watson wrote:
agent_x007 wrote:

Phenom II 965, Cinebench R15, I used Wraith cooler from FX-83x0 series.

Are you using a PCI to PCI-E adapter for the GT 610?
Can you confirm AGP doesn't work properly in Windows 7/10 so I don't have to waste time installing it?

Not exactly, I'm simply using Zotac GT 610 PCI 😀
I wasn't testing AGP compatibility at that time.
So, I don't know.

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Reply 4 of 9, by watson

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agent_x007 wrote:

Not exactly, I'm simply using Zotac GT 610 PCI 😀

I was fooled by the bus interface listed in CPU-Z and GPU-Z.
It makes sense, these newer PCI cards probably use the same PLX chip as PCI to PCI-E adapters.

Anyway, I decided to install Windows 10 x64 v1511 on a spare HDD. Here it is, the infamous Code 43:

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Windows Update was able to find the driver and it install it, only to disable the card afterwards. You are stuck on 1024x768 resolution.

Here's my Cinebench score:

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I think we can conclude this problem was indeed never fixed.
Therefore, I cannot recommend this board as an alternative to Asrock 4CoreDual-VSTA/SATA2, Conroe865PE, Asus P5PE-VM or other similar boards.
Considering Steam support for XP will be dropped on January 1st 2019 (and with Firefox support already being dropped), platform longevity is a serious issue.

To sum up:
- you can run the board with any CPU and any GPU without any problems on Windows XP 32-bit until the end of time
- you can run newer versions of Windows with a PCI graphics card (obviously too slow for any kind of gaming)
- it's supposedly possible to run Nvidia AGP cards in PCI mode on newer operating systems, but I didn't test this (once again, too slow)
- you will NOT be able to install drivers for any ATI card on operating systems newer than XP if you're using a multi-core CPU
- if you have a single core CPU, everything should work perfectly on any OS (but it defeats the purpose); I didn't test this because I didn't find an option to disable a core in BIOS
- if you want a modern 64-bit OS, you will have to use a Linux distribution; everything works out of the box, but you are limited to the open source Radeon driver which is slower than Catalyst

Please correct me if I made any mistakes.

Reply 5 of 9, by Roman555

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watson wrote:

Unfortunately, there was a casualty during testing. After finishing all the benchmarks, I fired up Crysis on the X1950 Pro. I first started the game at 1024x768 to check CPU performance and everything was working fine. A few seconds after switching to 1080p it crapped out.

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I'm not sure if it's a core or memory issue (looks like core because triangles were flying all over the screen, but it might be VRAM because of the familiar pattern). These situations make me seriously reconsider the hobby of collecting old crap that has the potential to die any minute. It was the nice 512 MB Sapphire version too...

Yes, pretty modern hardware is too hot to live long life 😢
Thank you for the interesting topic

Reply 6 of 9, by Mamba

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Hello Watson,

Sorry to resurrect this topic.
Have you ever managed to install a Catalyst driver for Ubuntu?
I have an HD4670 agp around and want to give this Asrock board another go with Ubuntu (zero experience on Linux distros for me).

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Mamba wrote:
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Hello Watson,

Sorry to resurrect this topic.
Have you ever managed to install a Catalyst driver for Ubuntu?
I have an HD4670 agp around and want to give this Asrock board another go with Ubuntu (zero experience on Linux distros for me).

Catalyst? Possibly you could find one that works, but HD4xxx Radeons are supported by the ATI/radeon opensource driver. Under Ubuntu 'it just works'. I don't have an HD4670 myself, but I do have the AM2NF3 with another ATI/radeon driver card (Radeon 9000) running Lubuntu, and didn't have to install any additional drivers to get it running.

Reply 8 of 9, by watson

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Mamba wrote:

Have you ever managed to install a Catalyst driver for Ubuntu?

Unfortunately, proprietary driver support on Linux for a particular driver package breaks with newer distribution releases because of new Xserver versions.
The latest driver for HD4000 series was Catalyst 13.1 and supports Xserver 1.12.
According to this post, the last version of Ubuntu you can use with this driver is 12.04.1: https://askubuntu.com/questions/203232/radeon … legacy-unsuppor

Long story short, I don't think it's worth bothering with Catalyst on Linux.
I think Windows XP is the only realistic option for this board if you want high AGP performance.

Reply 9 of 9, by an81

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watson wrote:

I'm not sure if it's a core or memory issue (looks like core because triangles were flying all over the screen, but it might be VRAM because of the familiar pattern). These situations make me seriously reconsider the hobby of collecting old crap that has the potential to die any minute. It was the nice 512 MB Sapphire version too...

That's it for now. I will probably be trying out Windows 7 SP1 in the future just to confirm the GART driver issue. If that fails, I'll try Windows 8.1, and finally Windows 10 version 1511 (last one with AGP support).

I had artifacts similar to these with a 1900XT 256Mb, only they very purple, but then the game was Company of Heroes mostly. In my case I think it was the vrm section, the pcb all turned crimson and bent inwards.