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First post, by HanSolo

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I'm looking for a way to show live-video (e.g. from a VHS tape) on a Pentium II 233 notebook running Windows 2000 (or Win98). The input must support either composite or S-Video. It's only about showing the video on screen, not recording it.

I see two options:
1.) there are some PCMCIA-adapters around (mostly TV-cards with AV-inputs), but so far I haven't figured out which of them support Windows 2000. There's not much information about such cards on the web. So finding the drivers might be a challenge since many ebay auctions contain only the card and cables.
2.) a USB-adapter together with a PCMCIA-USB 2.0-card (the notebook has only 1.1). This would also be nice because I could use it on my 'modern' notebook.

Any such solution should work with Virtual Dub.
It could well be that a P2-233 is too slow but that can probably be only found out by testing.

One USB-adapter that claims to support Windows 2000 is the EasyCAP and it costs only about 10 Euro. Unfortunately there are many variants of this around, most of them supporting only 8Khz mono audio and I'm not sure about the image quality. I could live with that but maybe somebody has a better idea? Or any experience with the such a setup?

Reply 1 of 11, by darry

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USB 1.1 tops off at 12Mbps (megabits per second) theoretical and maybe half that excluding overhead, so that's going to be a limiting factor on resolution and frame rate, so USB 2.0 would be useful indeed .

That said, if you can live with low-ish frame rate and resolution, the old USB 1.1 Intel Cs430 webcam has Windows 2000 driver and composite input.

EDIT ; It purports to handle 352x288 @30fps in the manual, if I am not mistaken, which may be enough for your needs .

Reply 2 of 11, by HanSolo

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I have yet to buy and try out the USB 2.0 card. But if that works I'd of course prefer better quality, in particular full 50 fps (PAL).
However that's an interesting piece of ancient hardware 😀

Reply 3 of 11, by bakemono

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I use the STK1160 / STK1150 USB dongle in Windows 2000. It does need USB 2.0. Also, I always use my sound card inputs instead of the audio inputs on the USB dongle because the USB audio causes BSODs. (better off not even installing the driver for USB audio)

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Reply 4 of 11, by Ryccardo

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To be honest I would get a BT868 based card and a PCI to CardBus converter! (which I wasn't sure about its existence, apparently the "Magma CB264" is one)

Reply 5 of 11, by HanSolo

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bakemono wrote on 2022-11-15, 09:35:

I use the STK1160 / STK1150 USB dongle in Windows 2000. It does need USB 2.0. Also, I always use my sound card inputs instead of the audio inputs on the USB dongle because the USB audio causes BSODs. (better off not even installing the driver for USB audio)

I now have an EasyCap adapter but can't get it to work under Windows 2000 (with USB 2.0 port). Under Win 8.1 it works and the quality is also pretty good, but under 2K (using VirtualDub) I only get a black picture. Maybe it's because of the weak CPU, a Pentium II 233, but in that case I would have expected frame drops.

Installing it was as you predicted only possible without the sound drivers. One thing is strange: under Win 8.1 it is shown as STK1160, under 2K it's STK1150. Even more strange: under 2K the available inputs shown in Virtual Dub are not only Composite and SVideo but also a Tuner which the stick doesn't have.
Do you have any advise what else I could try to make it work? It's a fresh Win 2K installation with DirectX 9.0c

Reply 6 of 11, by bakemono

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You should be able to get it to come up in the Imaging accessory. Go to File/Acquire Image. Then check Settings/Video decoder property to choose NTSC or PAL and then Settings/Crossbar property to choose the input.

If it works there then it should work in VirtualDub. (BTW, my VirtualDub version is 1.10.4 if that matters)

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Reply 7 of 11, by HanSolo

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bakemono wrote on 2022-12-17, 11:26:

You should be able to get it to come up in the Imaging accessory. Go to File/Acquire Image. Then check Settings/Video decoder property to choose NTSC or PAL and then Settings/Crossbar property to choose the input.

If it works there then it should work in VirtualDub. (BTW, my VirtualDub version is 1.10.4 if that matters)

The device is available in the Imaging-app, but I get a white image with a 1 pixel wide black column on the left side. In VirtualDub the black image is replaced by the same white screen after some seconds. I could swear that wasn't the case two days ago. Maybe it changed because I tried different drivers, but now I have again the original one from the CD. The image appears whether I connect a cable or not.
While the white image is shown (in VD and in the Imaging-app) the mouse freezes every second or so for one second.

In device manager the driver has version number 1.0.2.3. Could you check your version number, please?
(I use the same VD version which is the last 'old' one. The new VD2 gives me an error)

Reply 8 of 11, by bakemono

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My driver also seems to be 1.0.2.3

09/26/2006  07:01 PM           241,628 StkAMini.sys
09/26/2006 07:01 PM 242,728 StkACamd.sys
09/26/2006 07:01 PM 653,988 StkAPin.sys
02/09/2006 05:07 PM 10,479,603 StkAPipe.sys
09/26/2006 07:00 PM 18,754 StkASam.sys
08/01/2006 10:44 PM 4,772 StkScan.sys

Hardware ID is vendor 05E1 device 0408 rev 0005

Are you sure your USB port is working at USB 2 speed and not stuck at 1.1 for some reason?

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Reply 9 of 11, by HanSolo

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bakemono wrote on 2022-12-17, 14:15:
My driver also seems to be 1.0.2.3 […]
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My driver also seems to be 1.0.2.3

09/26/2006  07:01 PM           241,628 StkAMini.sys
09/26/2006 07:01 PM 242,728 StkACamd.sys
09/26/2006 07:01 PM 653,988 StkAPin.sys
02/09/2006 05:07 PM 10,479,603 StkAPipe.sys
09/26/2006 07:00 PM 18,754 StkASam.sys
08/01/2006 10:44 PM 4,772 StkScan.sys

Hardware ID is vendor 05E1 device 0408 rev 0005

Are you sure your USB port is working at USB 2 speed and not stuck at 1.1 for some reason?

From a connected USB thumbdrive I read with 10 MByte/sec. (it's not the fastest one but that's way above USB 1.1). But of course it could well be that the USB-adapter is the problem. All files you listed have the exact same size only time is 9 hours later (I assume that's a timezone thing). How can I read out the hardware/vendor ID in W2K? In device manager there's no 'details' tab. (It's my first W2K installation since over 15 years, so I have forgotten quite a lot 😀 )

Maybe I'm missing some important update/component? I didn't install anything except DirectX 9.0c. Without DX the adapter was shown in VD but absolutely no image was received, neither in Overlay nor Preview-mode. My hardware is a Toshiba Satellite Notebook with a pretty basic graphics adapter (C&T 65555 with 2 MB).
I'll try a completely new installation later since this one was only 'for testing'. My video source is a C64 (composite and SVideo) and as I said everything works under Win8.1.

When I have more time I'll do a W2K installation on a desktop with better hardware. Until then, if you have any idea what I could test I'll gladly do that. Thanks so far!

Reply 10 of 11, by HanSolo

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It's cursed. I now have a new Win 2000 installation and the system itself works without any problems. The Imaging-software still gives me the same result (white image, black column on the left), but VirtualDub now crashes with a blue screen as soon as I switch the input device to STK1150.
I think I give up on this 🙁

Reply 11 of 11, by lolo799

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If you're still looking for a pcmcia capture card working under Windows 2000 which may work for you, here are two models also sold as the Toshiba Video Capture:
https://web.archive.org/web/20090206023718/ht … pture/movrm.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20090205171409/ht … oduct/mvrm5.htm

As a sidenote, I tried the Pinnacle PCTV hybrid pro card 310c and it fails under 2000 with the Extended Kernel and Core Kernel add-ons, it requires XP.

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