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First post, by PcBytes

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Been quite some time since I haven't been here,so here's my new rig I built.

PSU - Premier LC-C400ATX 400W (Deer/L&C clone)
ODD - 4x CD-RW/DVD-ROMS (3 Sony DVD-ROMS and 1 TSSTCorp DVD-ROM)
HDD - WDC WD800JD-60LSA5 80GB SATA
MB - Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000-G (no onboard NIC) Rev 3.0 - installed active cooling from a dead GPU on SB using thermal paste then super glue to hold it.
RAM - 2GB DDR400,dual channel each
GPU - ATI Radeon HD3450 512MB AGP
NIC - 2x Realtek RTL8139C+
Case - Deer (no model or company written on it but I know it's a Deer since their low-end towers have only one panel removable)
FDD - 2x "Alpine" floppy drives
other - Winfast TV2000XP Deluxe TV-Tuner and USB bracket I built from spare parts
CPU - Pentium 4 2.8GHz (Northwood core)

For OS section,I have been thinking to make a dualboot configuration using Ubuntu 14.04.02 and Windows 7 SP1 (it works well with this Pentium 4). Also,I need to finish modding the PSU.

"Enter at your own peril, past the bolted door..."
Main PC: i5 3470, GB B75M-D3H, 16GB RAM, 2x1TB
98SE : P3 650, Soyo SY-6BA+IV, 384MB RAM, 80GB

Reply 2 of 11, by PcBytes

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Scraphoarder wrote:

Any particular reason to have 4 optical drives? Nothing wrong about that. Just curious..

In case one doesn't read a disc,I try the other 3! 🤣

Funny thing (for me at least) is that the PSU holds up strong with all the stuff,despite being a mid-end Deer/L&C PSU. (LC-C400ATX doesn't ring any bell to everyone?)

"Enter at your own peril, past the bolted door..."
Main PC: i5 3470, GB B75M-D3H, 16GB RAM, 2x1TB
98SE : P3 650, Soyo SY-6BA+IV, 384MB RAM, 80GB

Reply 4 of 11, by PcBytes

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TELVM wrote:

Oh DEER! 🤣 Any pics of the PSU guts?

I have 2,so:

LC-C400ATX (almost like this except PCB isn't darkened at all,choke and polyprop. cap are replaced with EE-25 trafo and 2 caps)

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LC-B400ATX (this one has the PCB made that way,fan's not seized)

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Both PSU's are under the "Premier" brand.

"Enter at your own peril, past the bolted door..."
Main PC: i5 3470, GB B75M-D3H, 16GB RAM, 2x1TB
98SE : P3 650, Soyo SY-6BA+IV, 384MB RAM, 80GB

Reply 5 of 11, by TELVM

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Typical cheap Deers, both have the four diode treatment (discrete diodes instead of a rectifier bridge) and little input filtering, the bottom one just one X-cap. The '33' transformers are smallish, 250~300W DC tops.

Have a look at the primary switchers (attached to the primary heatsink behind the big caps). If they are 13007, ~250W DC tops. If 13009, ~300W DC tops.

On the good side both have PI coils on the secondary output filtering, so ripple should be passable provided the caps are not KO.

Beware that DVD drives can draw 20W or more each at startup, x4 = 80W or more just from the DVDs at startup.

Let the air flow!

Reply 6 of 11, by PcBytes

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TELVM wrote:
Typical cheap Deers, both have the four diode treatment (discrete diodes instead of a rectifier bridge) and little input filteri […]
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Typical cheap Deers, both have the four diode treatment (discrete diodes instead of a rectifier bridge) and little input filtering, the bottom one just one X-cap. The '33' transformers are smallish, 250~300W DC tops.

Have a look at the primary switchers (attached to the primary heatsink behind the big caps). If they are 13007, ~250W DC tops. If 13009, ~300W DC tops.

On the good side both have PI coils on the secondary output filtering, so ripple should be passable provided the caps are not KO.

Beware that DVD drives can draw 20W or more each at startup, x4 = 80W or more just from the DVDs at startup.

I replaced all 4 diodes on both with MBR2045CTs,and they work fine now.

Neither PSU has 13007 or 13009 switchers.

The LC-B400ATX has some "C5763" switchers (dunno how good they are),and the LC-C400ATX has "D4206" switchers.

Both units were recapped. The former (B400ATX) has UCC KZEs in it,and the latter (C400ATX) has 2 AsiaX caps for the 3.3v and KZEs for the rest.

"Enter at your own peril, past the bolted door..."
Main PC: i5 3470, GB B75M-D3H, 16GB RAM, 2x1TB
98SE : P3 650, Soyo SY-6BA+IV, 384MB RAM, 80GB

Reply 7 of 11, by TELVM

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PcBytes wrote:

I replaced all 4 diodes on both with MBR2045CTs,and they work fine now.

I meant the AC diodes in the primary, you may be talking about the secondary rectifiers.

Neither PSU has 13007 or 13009 switchers.

The LC-B400ATX has some "C5763" switchers (dunno how good they are),and the LC-C400ATX has "D4206" switchers.

8A rated 13007s and 12A rated 13009s are fairly common. In your case you're even worse served, both the 2SC5763 and the 3DD4206 are rated at only 7A. I'd expect both PSUs to bust their main switchers at around 250W DC tops, may be less.

Beware AsiaX craps are as 'reliable' as 'legendary' junk like Fuhjyyu and JungFu. 😵

Let the air flow!

Reply 9 of 11, by dr_st

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PcBytes wrote:

In case one doesn't read a disc,I try the other 3! 🤣

And not a single one of them can actually burn DVDs? DVD burning is quite useful for a P4-era system.

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Reply 11 of 11, by PcBytes

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Tertz wrote:

Every build needs benchmarks to compare with other builds.

I had to rebuild it yet again,as my old board died (no beeps and/or POST,NB gets INSANELYhot) and I had to get another board,so I thought of going LGA775.
Here's the result:

Delux ATX-450W P4 - replaces Premier LC-C400ATX,this one is Sun Pro built in case you guys wonder
same Deer case - going to replace it for something fancier tho 🤣
Pentium E2160 Dual core CPU,1.8GHz - gonna replace it with a Pentium 4 HT 541 3.2GHz (Prescott)
80GB SATA HDD - WDC WD800JD-60LSA5
onboard GPU - originally came with a GT440 1GB DDR3 128bit PCI-E card (MB uses PCI-E) - might use my GT210 if I can get the GT440 work on my main PC (dual core Athlon 64 X2 5600+)
Biostar P4M900-M7 SE motherboard
1GB Elixir PC2-5300 DDR2 (single DIMM)
same DVD-ROMs - none burn DVDs,however they burn CDs - I had a TSSTCorp SH-S182D drive,it was poorly made though,it's in the garbage by now.

And this is the build. Currently installing Windows 7 to see how it will perform with a P4 HT.

Also,what benchmarks should I run? 😀

"Enter at your own peril, past the bolted door..."
Main PC: i5 3470, GB B75M-D3H, 16GB RAM, 2x1TB
98SE : P3 650, Soyo SY-6BA+IV, 384MB RAM, 80GB