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AMD K6-3+@500mhz., Voodoo 3000 (desktop)

Postby Intel486dx33 » 2019-3-21 @ 21:43

I have been working on this build for about a year slowly gathering up parts in my free time.
It an AMD K6-3+ @ 450mhz over clocked to 500mhz.
Ultimate retro DOS gaming computer build.
Performs well and is very stable.
Running Windows 98se. with updates and USB patches.
Motherboard make date September 23, 1998.

Specs:
Case - Lian Li Aluminum desktop case. ( PC-V800 ).
Motherboard - Baby ATX , Soyo SY-5EHM ver 1.1 ( Super Socket 7 ).
http://www.motherboards.org/files/manua ... m5eh20.pdf
Chipset - VIA ( A.K.A.-ETEQ82C663 ).
Cache - 512kb.
CPU- AMD K6-3+ @ 450mhz over clocked to 500mhz. ( 5x100mhz. ),
Memory - 512mb. ( PC-133 ).
Graphics - Nvidia Geforce MX440 AGP which I will replace with Voodoo-3-3000 AGP.
Audio - Sound Blaster AWE64 ( ISA )
Network - Digital chipset. 10/100mb. ( PCI ).
Hard-drive - Seagate 72,000rpm 500gb.
Fan Controller - Cooler Master drive-4
PSU - ATX 400 watt.
DVD
USB

Motherboard jumper settings:
100mhz x 5
Voltage - 2.2v

Software:
Windows 98se, SP3, USB patch, I.E.5.5 , AMD K6 CPU Patch.
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Re: Ultimate AMD K6-3-500mhz.

Postby Intel486dx33 » 2019-3-21 @ 21:44

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Re: Ultimate AMD K6-3-500mhz.

Postby Intel486dx33 » 2019-3-21 @ 21:47

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Re: Ultimate AMD K6-3-500mhz.

Postby Intel486dx33 » 2019-3-21 @ 21:48

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Re: Ultimate AMD K6-3-500mhz.

Postby Intel486dx33 » 2019-3-22 @ 07:14

Benchmarks:

3dBench = 365
Speedsts = 2676471 ( twice the speed of a Pentium 200mhz. ).
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Re: Ultimate AMD K6-3-500mhz.

Postby appiah4 » 2019-3-22 @ 08:15

Very nice PC. I hope I also get lucky and stumble across a cheap K6-2+ or K6-3 some day, the 64MB cacheable RAM barrier on my 430TX/K6-2_400/Win98 PC really bugs me :blah:
A500:+512K|ACA500+|C1084S
i386:Am386SX-25|4M|TVGA9000B|Gold-16
i486:U5SX-33|8M|GD5428|CT2290/S2
i586:P133|32M|S3T64+/MX2|V1|CT3980/32M
i686:K6-2/400|64M|V2/SLI|CT4500/32M
S370:P3-1200|384M|GF4Ti4200|MX300
S754:A3700+|2G|X1950PRO|SB0350
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Re: Ultimate AMD K6-3-500mhz.

Postby Intel486dx33 » 2019-3-22 @ 13:09

DOOM game test results.

Gametics - 2134 , Realtics - 594
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Re: Ultimate AMD K6-3-500mhz.

Postby pshipkov » 2019-3-22 @ 14:37

Can you comment on your intention to switch to Voodoo ?

I never had good experience with VIA chipsets.
Wonder if you have some observations that you can share ?

In general, what do you think about K5 CPUs compared to their counterparts at the time ?

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Re: Ultimate AMD K6-3-500mhz.

Postby Intel486dx33 » 2019-3-22 @ 14:47

pshipkov wrote:Can you comment on your intention to switch to Voodoo ?

I never had good experience with VIA chipsets.
Wonder if you have some observations that you can share ?

In general, what do you think about K5 CPUs compared to their counterparts at the time ?

Good stuff.


I just read that voodoo games can play in win98. And the voodoo card works normal vga in dos.
I never really had any luck with AMD CPU’s back in 1990’s So I always used Intel.
But I must have been doing it wrong because they work fine with the right hardware.
Intel is my CPU of choice however.
I just read that the AMD CPU’s work best with VIA chipset and for gaming in DOS / Win98.
I do think Intel based computers are more stable and reliable from my experience.
However as of today I have not had any problems with these AMD CPU’s.
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Re: Ultimate AMD K6-3-500mhz.

Postby miki90 » 2019-3-23 @ 15:53

Hey. That's a tremendous build you have going on. I have something similar. The CPU is actually a K6-III+ rather than a K6-III. Much better at overclocking and no issues with caching RAM. Keep us posted on this great build!
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Re: Ultimate AMD K6-3-500mhz.

Postby Intel486dx33 » 2019-3-23 @ 20:25

miki90 wrote:Hey. That's a tremendous build you have going on. I have something similar. The CPU is actually a K6-III+ rather than a K6-III. Much better at overclocking and no issues with caching RAM. Keep us posted on this great build!


Oh, It is a K6-3+ 450.
I only wish I knew how to set the motherboard jumpers for 550mhz.
But 500mhz. will have to do for now.
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Re: Ultimate AMD K6-3-500mhz.

Postby pshipkov » 2019-3-24 @ 02:08

I don't remember them suffering from low reliability, but they were not great at floating point calculations - 3d rendering, cad/cam, etc.
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Re: Ultimate AMD K6-3+@500mhz.

Postby Intel486dx33 » 2019-3-25 @ 16:56

I ordered a 60mm x 20mm cooling fan for the Voodoo-3 that I want to attach before I install the Voodoo-3 card.
These cards run very hot and the heat is a BIG cause of these cards failing. GPU and RAM Solder joints tend to break from over heating.

Philscomputerlab has video about this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivxoCzEl9y8
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Re: Ultimate AMD K6-3-500mhz.

Postby meljor » 2019-4-02 @ 18:26

Intel486dx33 wrote:
miki90 wrote:Hey. That's a tremendous build you have going on. I have something similar. The CPU is actually a K6-III+ rather than a K6-III. Much better at overclocking and no issues with caching RAM. Keep us posted on this great build!


Oh, It is a K6-3+ 450.
I only wish I knew how to set the motherboard jumpers for 550mhz.
But 500mhz. will have to do for now.


You can however try 600mhz: the 2x multi is seen as 6x with the amd k6-2/k6-3(+) cpus. Also with software you can change multiplier (only with + cpu) so that way you can still get to 5,5x.
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Re: Ultimate AMD K6-3+@500mhz.

Postby 1541 » 2019-4-02 @ 19:53

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Re: Ultimate AMD K6-3+@500mhz.

Postby cyclone3d » 2019-4-02 @ 21:36

Intel486dx33 wrote:I ordered a 60mm x 20mm cooling fan for the Voodoo-3 that I want to attach before I install the Voodoo-3 card.
These cards run very hot and the heat is a BIG cause of these cards failing. GPU and RAM Solder joints tend to break from over heating.

Philscomputerlab has video about this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivxoCzEl9y8


Make sure to replace the ancient heatsink compound as well.
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Re: Ultimate AMD K6-3+@500mhz.

Postby Intel486dx33 » 2019-4-05 @ 04:52

cyclone3d wrote:
Intel486dx33 wrote:I ordered a 60mm x 20mm cooling fan for the Voodoo-3 that I want to attach before I install the Voodoo-3 card.
These cards run very hot and the heat is a BIG cause of these cards failing. GPU and RAM Solder joints tend to break from over heating.

Philscomputerlab has video about this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivxoCzEl9y8


Make sure to replace the ancient heatsink compound as well.


Actually, The Voodoo-3 card I have has the heatsink glued on and there is no way to remove it unless I try to pry it off and I don't want to attempt that because
I don't want to break the GPU solder ball welds. This is a BIG reason for these GPU's failing is from broken solder ball welds.
So I am just going to attach the fan with plastic ties. Hopefully this should hold well.
The fan is just going to sit on top of the original heatsink. Should provide more than enough cooling.

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Re: Ultimate AMD K6-3+@500mhz.

Postby melbar » 2019-4-06 @ 03:30

Intel486dx33 wrote:These cards run very hot and the heat is a BIG cause of these cards failing. GPU and RAM Solder joints tend to break from over heating.

Do you know how is the difference from your V3 to a TNT2? (in terms of the heat?)

Actually i have installed a Riva128 (has no heatsick) on my super-socket 7, but maybe i will turn back to a Riva TNT2 which is cooled by a heatsink without any fan.
Do you know temperatures?
Would you propose this mod to the Voodoo2's ?
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Re: Ultimate AMD K6-3+@500mhz.

Postby Intel486dx33 » 2019-4-06 @ 14:23

melbar wrote:
Intel486dx33 wrote:These cards run very hot and the heat is a BIG cause of these cards failing. GPU and RAM Solder joints tend to break from over heating.

Do you know how is the difference from your V3 to a TNT2? (in terms of the heat?)

Actually i have installed a Riva128 (has no heatsick) on my super-socket 7, but maybe i will turn back to a Riva TNT2 which is cooled by a heatsink without any fan.
Do you know temperatures?
Would you propose this mod to the Voodoo2's ?


Well, i have several V3 cards that have failed because of over heating and bad manufacturing process.
Solder welds have broken because of over heating in the GPU chip and ram chips.
They need complete rebuilds which means reballing the GPU and resoldering the ram chips.
I know it was from over heating because I can see the heat burn marks.
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Re: Ultimate AMD K6-3+@500mhz.

Postby Intel486dx33 » 2019-5-07 @ 14:07

I received the 60mm x 60mm x 20mm fans and attached them to the Voodoo-3-3000 with thin wire that I purchased at the dollar store.
I did not want to screw the fan into the heatsink because I did not want to put tension on the heatsink as the heatsink is glued to the GPU
and the GPU is solder ball welded to the PCB.
and solder ball weld breaks are a major part of the failures in these video cards. Screwing the fan into the heatsink would have resulted in more weight
for the solder ball welds to compensate for.
I am going to add it to the computer now.
I also have a fan speed controller.

fan speed controller
https://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Channel-Comp ... SwO~JcrFkb
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Small-12V-Moto ... deb570fa45

60mm x60mm x20mm fan
https://www.ebay.com/itm/12V-60mm-x-20m ... SwD4Rci2VL
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