waterbeesje wrote on 2023-11-21, 21:34:

STX wrote on 2023-11-21, 18:55:

waterbeesje wrote on 2023-11-21, 08:44:

...Asus P4T...No OC effort 😀

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-21, 14:00:

...Stock benchmarks will no longer be accepted. Put some effort into overclocking the system.

Overclocking this board should be easy with CPUFSB. With a little FSB overclocking, you'd qualify for a ranking under supercordo's latest rules, waterbeesje.

Oh wait, this happened some time I wasn't looking at the rules? Had this page open for a few days, so must have missed it 😮

Reboot is on its way one of these days

Waterbeesje stock score is the last i accepted. Its on the board.

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-21, 14:00:

nd22 wrote on 2023-11-21, 06:48:

I have a quite a few Abit motherboards supporting P4. My question is: Cedar mill is allowed or only Willamette/Northwood/Prescott?

All of netburst. Ill make new brackets as the benchmarks come in. With that said, you still need to participate in aiming for the stars. Stock benchmarks will no longer be accepted. Put some effort into overclocking the system.

Thank you for your answer. I have some big reservations about overclocking a retro system, in fact I never did overclock myself anything.

I'm kind of dissapointed. I swapped the Willamette for a Northwood 2.8 overclocked to 3.33 and memory at 476 DDR, "down"graded to 512 MiB and installed Win98 and an older driver. I only got around ~11.000 in 3DM2001 with same overclock of the Ti4200. Switching back to XP, I hit 12.9xx in 2K1 - that's like a 25% gain from a clock speed increase of ~54% and a doubling of L2 cache. (I've disabled Hyperthreading in BIOS by the way, so 98/XP scores should be comparable).

Am I just running into GPU limits now, the CPU has so much more oomph?

No screenshots yet, as I just made 2 quick and dirty tests last night.

It could be gpu limited now. Try overclocking the gpu more to see if the score goes up. Could also be AGP 4x holding it back. Im still waiting for my S423 to get here.

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-22, 13:27:

It could be gpu limited now. Try overclocking the gpu more to see if the score goes up. Could also be AGP 4x holding it back. Im still waiting for my S423 to get here.

GPU won't go higher, if I should adhere to "no sub ambient cooling" 🤣

The 305/590 is beginning to make artifacts. 305/600 actually is slower. Maybe I should crack out the Quadro FX1100 again ...

Needs more voltage. The Gf4 didnt have a heat issue.

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-22, 14:20:

Needs more voltage. The Gf4 didnt have a heat issue.

So, I need to break out the soldering iron, you say? 😈

[Edit; attached images] I may want to anyways 🤣

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-11-22, 14:25:

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-22, 14:20:

Needs more voltage. The Gf4 didnt have a heat issue.

So, I need to break out the soldering iron, you say? 😈

[Edit; attached images] I may want to anyways 🤣

Definitely!!

One for the scoreboard 😁

Thinking of jumping in here and have a choice of two boards a ASUS P4T-E or a Intel Maryville 2 D850EMV2, not sure which would make for a more interesting build but the Maryville 2 does support 533 CPUs and 1066 RDRAM. The MV2 would let me use a 3.06Ghz Northwood but I wonder if the RDRAM would hold it back, being 1066 it might actually have an edge over DDR.

I do have a 6600GT that would pair quite well with the MV2.

Another option is to just low ball it with a 775 661 Ceader mill and clock the snot out of it but ...that's not that interesting.
I have an odd little interposer that lets a 478 CPU run in a 423 board, its limited to one particular motherboard which I do have but it certainly wont be setting any land speed records.

Too many choices 🤣.

Are Pentium D CPUs allowed ? they are Netburst afterall! A 960 might be fun to use if you can control the heat while overclocking, a 965 would be even better but again heat from OCing it would cause some grief for your average cooler.

I guess what Im really asking is do these scores have to reflect a 24/7 stable system or is CPUz validation and 3DMark scores enough ?

Trashbytes wrote on 2023-11-23, 07:47:

I have an odd little interposer that lets a 478 CPU run in a 423 board, its limited to one particular motherboard which I do have but it certainly wont be setting any land speed records.

I guess that it would only take Willamettes since the board's VRM doesn't know about Northwood voltages, and neither would the BIOS ...

Trashbytes wrote on 2023-11-23, 07:47:

Are Pentium D CPUs allowed ? they are Netburst afterall! A 960 might be fun to use if you can control the heat while overclocking, a 965 would be even better but again heat from OCing it would cause some grief for your average cooler.

I guess what Im really asking is do these scores have to reflect a 24/7 stable system or is CPUz validation and 3DMark scores enough ?

Pretty sure that all Netburst are allowed.

As for stability, a Screenshot with scores and CPU-z should suffice 😁

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-11-23, 08:27:

Trashbytes wrote on 2023-11-23, 07:47:

I have an odd little interposer that lets a 478 CPU run in a 423 board, its limited to one particular motherboard which I do have but it certainly wont be setting any land speed records.

I guess that it would only take Willamettes since the board's VRM doesn't know about Northwood voltages, and neither would the BIOS ...

Its a package thing, the interposer wont work in any 423 motherboard, it came in a QDI PlatiniX 4X that is designed/modded to handle the interposer along with a 2.6 Northwood, it identifies the CPU correctly and can handle the voltages with no issue. Putting it in any other 423 board will get you a no post, IIRC ASUS also had a 423 board that came with an Interposer for 478 and it was the same deal in it would only work with that board and only with Willamette 478 CPUs.

The QDI PlatiniX 4X is an i850 board which may be the reason it can handle the Northwood as that chipset was used for both 423 and 478.

The list of cores that are Netburst.

Cedar Mill
Cranford
Dempsey
Foster
Foster MP
Gallatin
Irwindale
Nocona
Northwood
Paxville
Paxville MP
Potomac
Prescott
Presler
Prestonia
Smithfield
Tulsa
Willamette

Meatball wrote on 2023-11-19, 19:20:

3DMark 2000: 11662 OS: Windows ME MB: Asus P4T CPU: Willamette Pentium 4 1.80GHz@2070.02MHz/115.00MHz RAM: 512MB RDRAM 1066 Dual […]
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3DMark 2000: 11662
OS: Windows ME
MB: Asus P4T
CPU: Willamette Pentium 4 1.80GHz@2070.02MHz/115.00MHz
RAM: 512MB RDRAM 1066 Dual Channel
GPU: GeForce2 Ultra@300.7MHz/508.2MHz

This is all she's got, captain!

3DMark 2000: 11892
OS: Windows ME
MB: Asus P4T
CPU: Willamette Pentium 4 2.00GHz@2240.30MHz/112.00MHz
RAM: 512MB RDRAM 1066 Dual Channel
GPU: Quadro2 Pro@300.7MHz/522.6MHz

waterbeesje wrote on 2023-11-21, 08:44:

To everybody who thinks their Williamette system is too slow, remember me. […]
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To everybody who thinks their Williamette system is too slow, remember me.

"Hey, can I come and play with you big guys?"

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Yes I know, this board should have a lot more potential and i'm sure it has. However, this comes closest to my computer i had when this was considered modern 😀

Asus P4T
i850 chipset
Socket 423
128MB RDRAM (2x 64MB and 2x terminator)
Massive 1,5GHz Pentium 4
Asus V7100, GeForce 2 MX400 with 32MB

No OC effort 😀

Here comes the reboot. Just for this bench I've made some temporary changes to the system in order to get a little more performance.
- Asus P4T, s423
- 4x256MB pc800-40 RDRAM (440MHz)
- Leadtek Winfast A360, GeForce FX 5700 128MB
- Pentium 4 1,5GHz @1,65 (110MHz bus,), 1,80v

At 112 bus windows would not boot windows.

Also, while at it, I found this other set
- MSI 850 Pro5, s478
- 2x128MB RDRAM pc800-40 (440MHz)
- Leadtek Winfast A360, GeForce FX 5700 128MB (yes, same card)
- Pentium 4 1,6GHz @ 1,73 (110MHz bus), 1,85v

At 111 bus the system would not complete the benchmark.

When using the overclocked NorthWood, the Quadro FX1100 takes a little leap ahead from the Ti4200.

Here, it's overclocked from the standard 425/648 (324 DDR)

3D Mark 2000 freezes the machine, mouse can move, but no clicks are registered, neither keyboard inputs. May want to reinstall that later on ...

All scores updated.

For s.423 + RDRAM which OS would yield the best results? W2K or XP?

Nexxen wrote on 2023-11-23, 23:31:

For s.423 + RDRAM which OS would yield the best results? W2K or XP?

For 3dmark2000, 98se with dx7 installed. For 2001, most people use Xp.