DerBaum wrote on 2023-11-19, 14:06:

Desktop Pentium 4 was available on 3 sockets, 423,478,775 . Probably the most special one is 423 with its small range of proces […]
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AlessandroB wrote on 2023-11-19, 11:44:

making a lateral consideration, can the P4 be seen as the P60? Not in terms of architecture because the Pentium continued until 233 but in terms of the uniqueness of the socket/platform? The P4 wasn't there before and will never be there again after its disappearance, right?

Desktop Pentium 4 was available on 3 sockets, 423,478,775 .
Probably the most special one is 423 with its small range of processors released and its very short lifetime.
There is a version of socket 423 boards with sd ram instead of RD ram. Thats probably the most exotic version... not good, but exotic.

Or are you speaking about the "long pipeline" thing?

yes, the architecture not the socket, i can’t explain what i have exactly in my mind, but seems to me similare fate

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-11-19, 11:13:

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-19, 07:56:

A 1.5 Willamette arrived today. Was able to increase the FSB. Was only able to beat my old score by 4. I'm sure ill be able to push it further with the P4P800. It seems 3dMark2000 likes more MHz vs FSB.

What board are you running here?

Its a FS51 V2. Is out of a Shuttle SS51G. I had originally bought the Shuttles because they have universal AGP slots. Was going to throw my Voodoo5 5500's in them. I have 4, so the idea was to make a mini 4 person lan in the basement. Never got a round to it yet.

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-19, 14:55:

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-11-19, 11:13:

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-19, 07:56:

A 1.5 Willamette arrived today. Was able to increase the FSB. Was only able to beat my old score by 4. I'm sure ill be able to push it further with the P4P800. It seems 3dMark2000 likes more MHz vs FSB.

What board are you running here?

Its a FS51 V2. Is out of a Shuttle SS51G. I had originally bought the Shuttles because they have universal AGP slots. Was going to throw my Voodoo5 5500's in them. I have 4, so the idea was to make a mini 4 person lan in the basement. Never got a round to it yet.

So, a SiS chipset. I'm pretty impressed with that speed. I remember I had an ASUS P4s333; it could overclock to like 101 MHz before getting unstable on a Northwood 1.6, which I later ran for years at 2.4 in an ABiT 845 mainboard 🤣

[Edit] or is the GF3 just faster than GF4 in 3DM2k?

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-11-19, 16:25:

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-19, 14:55:

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-11-19, 11:13:

What board are you running here?

Its a FS51 V2. Is out of a Shuttle SS51G. I had originally bought the Shuttles because they have universal AGP slots. Was going to throw my Voodoo5 5500's in them. I have 4, so the idea was to make a mini 4 person lan in the basement. Never got a round to it yet.

So, a SiS chipset. I'm pretty impressed with that speed. I remember I had an ASUS P4s333; it could overclock to like 101 MHz before getting unstable on a Northwood 1.6, which I later ran for years at 2.4 in an ABiT 845 mainboard 🤣

[Edit] or is the GF3 just faster than GF4 in 3DM2k?

I'm using old 7.76 drivers on the GF3 so the driver overhead is lower.

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-19, 16:43:

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-11-19, 16:25:

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-19, 14:55:

Its a FS51 V2. Is out of a Shuttle SS51G. I had originally bought the Shuttles because they have universal AGP slots. Was going to throw my Voodoo5 5500's in them. I have 4, so the idea was to make a mini 4 person lan in the basement. Never got a round to it yet.

So, a SiS chipset. I'm pretty impressed with that speed. I remember I had an ASUS P4s333; it could overclock to like 101 MHz before getting unstable on a Northwood 1.6, which I later ran for years at 2.4 in an ABiT 845 mainboard 🤣

[Edit] or is the GF3 just faster than GF4 in 3DM2k?

I'm using old 7.76 drivers on the GF3 so the driver overhead is lower.

Still a lot more 😉

So, this thread has taught me a very valuable lesson ... I'm very happy, that I waited with the P4 until the Northwood came out. My 1.6A ran at 2.4 (and sometimes more) from day one I got it. (or at least when I had a stable motherboard for it 🤣 )

None of the Willamettes I have tried now have been able to pass 2.2 GHz, maybe an E0 stepping would've been a better chance, but none of my 1.6, 1.7 or 1.8 were in luck. Neither the couple of Celerons I've tried.

Think I'll be taking the rig down for now, it's been a fun journey, looking forward to the next "aiming for the stars" thread!

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-11-19, 16:43:

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-19, 16:43:

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-11-19, 16:25:

So, a SiS chipset. I'm pretty impressed with that speed. I remember I had an ASUS P4s333; it could overclock to like 101 MHz before getting unstable on a Northwood 1.6, which I later ran for years at 2.4 in an ABiT 845 mainboard 🤣

[Edit] or is the GF3 just faster than GF4 in 3DM2k?

I'm using old 7.76 drivers on the GF3 so the driver overhead is lower.

Still a lot more 😉

3dmark2000 should be tested only on win98 with only dx7 installed. Instaling dx8 will lower the score. My gf3 is also overclocked to 270/565

H3nrik V! wrote on 2023-11-19, 16:47:

So, this thread has taught me a very valuable lesson ... I'm very happy, that I waited with the P4 until the Northwood came out. My 1.6A ran at 2.4 (and sometimes more) from day one I got it. (or at least when I had a stable motherboard for it 🤣 )

None of the Willamettes I have tried now have been able to pass 2.2 GHz, maybe an E0 stepping would've been a better chance, but none of my 1.6, 1.7 or 1.8 were in luck. Neither the couple of Celerons I've tried.

Think I'll be taking the rig down for now, it's been a fun journey, looking forward to the next "aiming for the stars" thread!

It was very nice having you! The Northwoods were on a smaller node. 0.18 micron for Willamette vs 0.13 micron for Northwoods. Im thinking once the action dies down for Willamette, Ill add a bracket for Northwoods and so on like episodes. So eventually this will have all the P4 cores covered. Or should i just open it up now to all P4 cores???

I'll have a Willamette to add on Socket 423, but I don't know how you guys are getting the scores you've achieved. I have a P4T with 533MHz, Dual Channel on an i850, RivaTuner, striped down Windows, open air board, all kinds of GPUs, Every Willamette Core (all Pentiums from 1.3 to 2.0) and I still can't beat the top. 110MHz FSB, one in a while 112FSB is as far as 3DMark 2000 will allow before it crashes. I can barely get over 10,000.

Meatball wrote on 2023-11-19, 17:19:

I'll have a Willamette to add on Socket 423, but I don't know how you guys are getting the scores you've achieved. I have a P4T with 533MHz, Dual Channel on an i850, RivaTuner, striped down Windows, open air board, all kinds of GPUs, Every Willamette Core (all Pentiums from 1.3 to 2.0) and I still can't beat the top. 110MHz FSB, one in a while 112FSB is as far as 3DMark 2000 will allow before it crashes. I can barely get over 10,000.

Its all about driver overhead really. Just because i have a HD 3850 doesnt mean it will be the best GPU for a 2.0ghz system.

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-19, 17:22:

Meatball wrote on 2023-11-19, 17:19:

I'll have a Willamette to add on Socket 423, but I don't know how you guys are getting the scores you've achieved. I have a P4T with 533MHz, Dual Channel on an i850, RivaTuner, striped down Windows, open air board, all kinds of GPUs, Every Willamette Core (all Pentiums from 1.3 to 2.0) and I still can't beat the top. 110MHz FSB, one in a while 112FSB is as far as 3DMark 2000 will allow before it crashes. I can barely get over 10,000.

Its all about driver overhead really. Just because i have a HD 3850 doesnt mean it will be the best GPU for a 2.0ghz system.

Yes, That's evident with your Ti500. I'm using a 5900XT at the moment. Since this board is not going any higher than 110/112 (s0 far), the 2.0GHz cpu is the best I can work with it seems. I can't break 10,000 with the others (of course). I suppose I'll step down further to a Ti500, too.

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-19, 17:22:

Meatball wrote on 2023-11-19, 17:19:

I'll have a Willamette to add on Socket 423, but I don't know how you guys are getting the scores you've achieved. I have a P4T with 533MHz, Dual Channel on an i850, RivaTuner, striped down Windows, open air board, all kinds of GPUs, Every Willamette Core (all Pentiums from 1.3 to 2.0) and I still can't beat the top. 110MHz FSB, one in a while 112FSB is as far as 3DMark 2000 will allow before it crashes. I can barely get over 10,000.

Its all about driver overhead really. Just because i have a HD 3850 doesnt mean it will be the best GPU for a 2.0ghz system.

I agree.
I was not able to boot with my HD3850 but I tested 7900GS AGP, FX5900 and Quadro4 980XGL (Ti4800).
Every card was overclocked... And the GeForce4 was faster. The score improved when I switched to older driver an win98.
All these cards seems very CPU limited on a Willamette system.
And sometimes overclocked GPU resulted in lower scores for me.

acl wrote on 2023-11-19, 17:54:

I agree. I was not able to boot with my HD3850 but I tested 7900GS AGP, FX5900 and Quadro4 980XGL (Ti4800). Every card was overc […]
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supercordo wrote on 2023-11-19, 17:22:

Meatball wrote on 2023-11-19, 17:19:

I'll have a Willamette to add on Socket 423, but I don't know how you guys are getting the scores you've achieved. I have a P4T with 533MHz, Dual Channel on an i850, RivaTuner, striped down Windows, open air board, all kinds of GPUs, Every Willamette Core (all Pentiums from 1.3 to 2.0) and I still can't beat the top. 110MHz FSB, one in a while 112FSB is as far as 3DMark 2000 will allow before it crashes. I can barely get over 10,000.

Its all about driver overhead really. Just because i have a HD 3850 doesnt mean it will be the best GPU for a 2.0ghz system.

I agree.
I was not able to boot with my HD3850 but I tested 7900GS AGP, FX5900 and Quadro4 980XGL (Ti4800).
Every card was overclocked... And the GeForce4 was faster. The score improved when I switched to older driver an win98.
All these cards seems very CPU limited on a Willamette system.
And sometimes overclocked GPU resulted in lower scores for me.

Indeed. With my PCIe based Willamette system and a GTX 480 i could barely crack 11000 in 3DMark2k1. And that’s with a 1.7GHz E0 running at 134FSB.

I’m not submitting it as a run yet as I’m positive that I can destroy that now I’ve got my Asus P4P800 up and running.

Please review the first post. Happy Benchmarking!!!!!

Thanks for the input everyone! I did much better with the GeForce2 Ultra.

3DMark 2000: 11662
OS: Windows ME
MB: Asus P4T
CPU: Willamette Pentium 4 1.80GHz@2070.02/115.00MHz
RAM: 512MB RDRAM 1066 Dual Channel
GPU: GeForce2 Ultra@300.7MHz/508.2MHz

Question, now that this is “All P4” are Netburst Xeons included? Socket 603/604? Could be tempted to grab my dual s603 board out for a play.

paradigital wrote on 2023-11-19, 19:22:

Question, now that this is “All P4” are Netburst Xeons included? Socket 603/604? Could be tempted to grab my dual s603 board out for a play.

I could make a bracket for it. I reckon not to many people will participate with it tho.

Meatball wrote on 2023-11-19, 19:20:

3DMark 2000: 11662 OS: Windows ME MB: Asus P4T CPU: Willamette Pentium 4 1.80GHz@2070.02/115.00MHz RAM: 512MB RDRAM 1066 Dual Ch […]
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3DMark 2000: 11662
OS: Windows ME
MB: Asus P4T
CPU: Willamette Pentium 4 1.80GHz@2070.02/115.00MHz
RAM: 512MB RDRAM 1066 Dual Channel
GPU: GeForce2 Ultra@300.7MHz/508.2MHz

Meatball out of nowhere to take the lead. Score updated!

supercordo wrote on 2023-11-19, 19:42:

Meatball wrote on 2023-11-19, 19:20:

3DMark 2000: 11662 OS: Windows ME MB: Asus P4T CPU: Willamette Pentium 4 1.80GHz@2070.02/115.00MHz RAM: 512MB RDRAM 1066 Dual Ch […]
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3DMark 2000: 11662
OS: Windows ME
MB: Asus P4T
CPU: Willamette Pentium 4 1.80GHz@2070.02/115.00MHz
RAM: 512MB RDRAM 1066 Dual Channel
GPU: GeForce2 Ultra@300.7MHz/508.2MHz

Meatball out of nowhere to take the lead. Score updated!

Touché !
Well done sir