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VOGONS Benchmark archive?

Postby Mau1wurf1977 » 2014-1-16 @ 08:53

Just had this idea...

We always get "fresh blood" and people building systems.

Wouldn't it be nice to have a ZIP file with an assortment of benchmarks and tools ready to go?

So to make it easier to document and compare systems without having to hunt down files on the Internet?

For DOS I have a nice collection I could put together, but for Windows 95/98 I'm finding it hard as I don't have much experience. If the benchmarks need something like .NET or similar runtime pack, I guess we have to include it as well.

Link to DOS Benchmark Archive V1.1

Contains:

Superscape Alternate Realities VGA Benchmark 1.0 (3DBench)
Superscape Alternate Realities VGA Benchmark 1.0c (3DBench2)
Norton System Information 4.5
Norton System Information 6.01
Norton System Information 8.0
Landmark System Speed Test 2.0
Landmark System Speed Test 6.0
System Speed Test 4.78 (Speedsys)
PC Player 3D Benchmark 1.0
Quake Shareware 1.06 (Installer)
Doom Shareware 1.9 (Installer)
Circuit Analysis Benchmark Test
Cachechk
Roy Longbottom's DOS Tests
Memory and Video Speed 3.1
PC-Config Shareware 8.2
The Oldskool PC Benchmark 0.38 (TOPBench)
PC Magazine Labs Benchmark 5.5
Chris' 3D Benchmark
PC Bench 9.0 (Installer)

Link to Windows 98 Benchmark Archive V1.0

Contains:

Crystal CPU ID
Crystal Mark 2004 OpenGL Part
Disk Speed 32
Roadkil's Disk Speed
Everest Home Edition
SiSoft Sandra 99
3D WinBench 2000
3D Mark 99 MAX
3D Mark 2000
3D Mark 2001 SE
DX 8.1 Installer
PC Mark 2000
WinBench 99
WinTune 98
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Re: VOGONS Benchmark archive?

Postby vetz » 2014-1-16 @ 09:13

Great idea! I know Feipoa have most of them, but they shouldn't be too hard to collect on the internet.

I know the CD's for the Ziff-Davis benchmarks (Wintune, WinBench, 3D Winbench) are available at archive.org


WINDOWS 9x
SuperPi
Ziff-Davis Winbench96
Ziff-Davis Winbench99
Ziff-Davis 3D Winbench97
WinTune98
Sandra99
PassMark v4.0
3DMark99 Max/Lite
Final Reality
Quake2 Timedemo - "Software" mode
Quake2 Timedemo - "OpenGL" mode
MDK Performance - "Win95" mode
MDK Performance - "Direct3D" mode

DOS
Norton (Symantec) Sysinfo v8.0/8.1
PC Config
PiDOS
Landmark v2.0
Bytemark v2, 32-bit
Roy Longbottom Dhrystone/Whetstone
Speedsys v4.78
Cachechk v4/7
3Dbench
PcpBench
Doom1 Timedemo
Quake1 Timedemo

Source. If some benchs from the Ultimate benchmarks are missing, those should be included as well.
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Re: VOGONS Benchmark archive?

Postby Mau1wurf1977 » 2014-1-16 @ 09:38

Ok cool.

I'll work on a DOS archive. But will definitely need someone to chip in with the Windows stuff :)
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Re: VOGONS Benchmark archive?

Postby vetz » 2014-1-16 @ 09:47

I'll help you out :)

All 3D Winbench versions (97 to 2000): http://ftp.isu.edu.tw/pub/Hardware/tool ... _WinBench/
WinBench 97, 98 and 99: http://ftp.isu.edu.tw/pub/Hardware/tool ... /WinBench/
Winstone 96 and Winbench 96. https://archive.org/details/PCMagBenchmark

I'll keep searching for the newer and older versions
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Re: VOGONS Benchmark archive?

Postby vetz » 2014-1-16 @ 10:27

All Winstone edition were only available as CD for the price of shipping&handling (too big to download as ZD called it back then). It also came bundled for free with countless PC magazines

I've sent a PM to some on Vogons who claim they own Winstone 97 and 2000. Please let me know if anyone else got something on a CD.
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Re: VOGONS Benchmark archive?

Postby vetz » 2014-1-16 @ 11:13

WinBench 1.0: Currently missing
WinBench 1.1: Currently missing
WinBench 2.0: http://cd.textfiles.com/ccbwindows93/ME ... NBEN20.ZIP
WinBench 2.5: http://cd.textfiles.com/swinnund/disk4/ ... NBEN25.ZIP
WinBench 2.51: http://cd.textfiles.com/swinnund/disk4/ ... NBN251.ZIP
WinBench 3.1: http://cd.textfiles.com/sbup/UTIL/WINBEN31/
WinBench 3.11: ftp://ftp.vernet.lv/pub/windows.0/misc/winbench.zip
WinBench 4.0: http://ftpmirror.your.org/pub/misc/dos/ ... winben.zip
WinBench 5.0: Missing
WinBench 6.0: Missing
WinBench 7.0: Missing
WinBench 8.0: MIssing
WinBench 95: http://r3tr0.de/mirror/ftp.mpoli.fi/har ... NBEN95.ZIP
WinBench 96: http://r3tr0.de/mirror/ftp.mpoli.fi/har ... NBEN96.ZIP

DOS benchmark (not previously mentioned)
PC Bench 6.0: http://cd.textfiles.com/megademo2/INFO/PCBEN60A.ZIP, http://cd.textfiles.com/megademo2/INFO/PCBEN60B.ZIP, http://cd.textfiles.com/megademo2/INFO/PCBEN60C.ZIP
PC Bench 8.0: ftp://isis.faces.ula.ve/MS-DOS/utils/pcben80.zip
PC Bench 9.0: ftp://avt34.ru/distr/!Dos/ftp.kiarchive ... /pcben.exe
PCBENCH v9, from the Ziff-Davis industry
standard PC benchmarking series. This one is
for PCs running DOS, the more recent DOS, the
better. Req. a 386 CPU or better; min of 4 MB
free RAM; min 30 MB free disk space on each
disk drive you want to test; min of 524 KB
free conventional mem if you plan to run ALL
the tests. Some tests have additional
requirements. 9.0 is the latest release & it
differs from previous releases in important
ways. Do not compare v9.0 results with
results from earlier versions. Tests run
under PC Bench are DOS-based tests & will not
reflect performance when running Windows.
Free, downloaded from http://www.ziff.com. 11/15/94.


This site contains loads of old results from several benchmarks (including 3Dbench): https://web.archive.org/web/19990422163 ... bench.html

Chris' 3d Benchmark was designed as a replacement for the (now outdated) 3dbench. Chris' 3d Benchmark runs in 32-bit pmode, has support for VGA and 640x480x256 SVGA, has microsecond timing accuracy, and uses a rotating 3d enviroment mapped object as the basis for the benchmark. I believe it to be a very good overall representation of how well any given computer will run today's modern software.

Download here: https://web.archive.org/web/19980220073 ... cbench.zip
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Re: VOGONS Benchmark archive?

Postby Mau1wurf1977 » 2014-1-16 @ 11:47

DOS Benchmark Archive V1.0.

Download from here: https://www.mediafire.com/?2nuqp0ee3eob595

Contains:

Superscape Alternate Realities VGA Benchmark 1.0 (3DBench)
Superscape Alternate Realities VGA Benchmark 1.0c (3DBench2)
Norton System Information 4.5
Norton System Information 6.01
Norton System Information 8.0
Landmark System Speed Test 2.0
Landmark System Speed Test 6.0
System Speed Test 4.78 (Speedsys)
PC Player 3D Benchmark 1.0
Quake Shareware 1.06
Doom Shareware 1.9
Circuit Analysis Benchmark Test
Cachechk
Roy Longbottom's DOS Tests
Memory and Video Speed 3.1
PC-Config Shareware 8.2
The Oldskool PC Benchmark 0.38 (TOPBench)
PC Magazine Labs Benchmark 5.5
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Re: VOGONS Benchmark archive?

Postby Mau1wurf1977 » 2014-1-16 @ 11:50

vetz wrote:WinBench 4.0: http://ftpmirror.your.org/pub/misc/dos/ ... winben.zip
WinBench 9.0: http://r3tr0.de/mirror/ftp.mpoli.fi/har ... 95VER9.ZIP
WinBench 95: http://r3tr0.de/mirror/ftp.mpoli.fi/har ... NBEN95.ZIP
WinBench 96: http://r3tr0.de/mirror/ftp.mpoli.fi/har ... NBEN96.ZIP

DOS benchmark (not previously mentioned)
PC Bench 6.0: http://cd.textfiles.com/megademo2/INFO/PCBEN60A.ZIP, http://cd.textfiles.com/megademo2/INFO/PCBEN60B.ZIP, http://cd.textfiles.com/megademo2/INFO/PCBEN60C.ZIP
PC Bench 8.0: ftp://isis.faces.ula.ve/MS-DOS/utils/pcben80.zip
PC Bench 9.0: ftp://avt34.ru/distr/!Dos/ftp.kiarchive ... /pcben.exe

Chris' 3d Benchmark was designed as a replacement for the (now outdated) 3dbench. Chris' 3d Benchmark runs in 32-bit pmode, has support for VGA and 640x480x256 SVGA, has microsecond timing accuracy, and uses a rotating 3d enviroment mapped object as the basis for the benchmark. I believe it to be a very good overall representation of how well any given computer will run today's modern software.

Download here: https://web.archive.org/web/19980220073 ... cbench.zip


Cool :)

Man been looking for that 3dbench from Chris for quite some time!!!

Can't wait to run it. Oh the excitement...

Unread that you found it...
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Re: VOGONS Benchmark archive?

Postby Skyscraper » 2014-1-16 @ 11:57

I think we should plan for a larger project simular to Phils ultimate VGA benchmark.
Lets choose ~10 Windows 9x benchmarks mixing CPU, 2D and 3D graphics.
Perhaps ~5 games or so as well.


It would be great to have a huge database with performance numbers for different platforms with different CPUs and video cards.
Windows 9x cover everything from fast 386* systems to "Optimal Windows 9x builds" with late P4 or Athlon XP CPUs


This time I think we should start of with a "test period" where some of us idiots with lots of time for these things could test the benchmark suite on a few systems.
This way we can see which benchmarks work well and which do not work well and so on before people start submitting results and the benchmark suite gets "finalized".


*Or perhaps late 486 / early Pentium depending on the benchmarks.
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Re: VOGONS Benchmark archive?

Postby Mau1wurf1977 » 2014-1-16 @ 12:02

I like the idea of a test period :)
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Re: VOGONS Benchmark archive?

Postby Skyscraper » 2014-1-16 @ 12:16

These are some tests that I would like to see included in the benchmark suite.
I think this suite should be rather large but that certain tests are needed to get a combined score.

Sandra 99
CPU tests and Memory speed test.

3Dmark 99, 2000 and 2001. Perhaps Video 2000 aswell.

A PCmark suite. 2002 is the oldest I think.
Not all slow systems will be able to run it but its a given for the systems that can.

Quake 1, 2 and 3.
GL accelerated for the systems that support it.
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Re: VOGONS Benchmark archive?

Postby Mau1wurf1977 » 2014-1-16 @ 12:26

DOS Benchmark Archive V1.1

Download from here: https://www.mediafire.com/?h1ub3q8pnwjehq6

Updates:

Added Chris' 3D Benchmark
Added PC Bench 9.0 (Installer)

Contains:

Superscape Alternate Realities VGA Benchmark 1.0 (3DBench)
Superscape Alternate Realities VGA Benchmark 1.0c (3DBench2)
Norton System Information 4.5
Norton System Information 6.01
Norton System Information 8.0
Landmark System Speed Test 2.0
Landmark System Speed Test 6.0
System Speed Test 4.78 (Speedsys)
PC Player 3D Benchmark 1.0
Quake Shareware 1.06 (Installer)
Doom Shareware 1.9 (Installer)
Circuit Analysis Benchmark Test
Cachechk
Roy Longbottom's DOS Tests
Memory and Video Speed 3.1
PC-Config Shareware 8.2
The Oldskool PC Benchmark 0.38 (TOPBench)
PC Magazine Labs Benchmark 5.5
Chris' 3D Benchmark
PC Bench 9.0 (Installer)
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Re: VOGONS Benchmark archive?

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Re: VOGONS Benchmark archive?

Postby jwt27 » 2014-1-16 @ 13:16

Great idea! I see there are quite a few benchmarks I haven't tried yet... Will you make another Google Docs spreadsheet for this, when you finish the benchmark package?

I also had the idea once of using Fractint as benchmark tool. We could make a preset to render, say, a 2048x1536 fractal image and see how long that takes on different systems. Since the image can be rendered directly to RAM instead of the screen, this would make a good raw CPU/RAM benchmark, independent of the graphics card. Fractint uses integer math by default, but can be configured to use floating-point for certain fractal types, so FPU performance can be measured, too.
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Re: VOGONS Benchmark archive?

Postby Mau1wurf1977 » 2014-1-16 @ 13:43

I'd really like someone else to do the Windows stuff. On this one I'd prefer to sit back, learn, test, bench and contribute :)
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Re: VOGONS Benchmark archive?

Postby NitroX infinity » 2014-1-16 @ 13:49

http://www.active-hardware.com/english/ ... hmarks.htm

I think one of the Descent games (1, 2 or 3) had a timedemo available or a fly-through.
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Re: VOGONS Benchmark archive?

Postby vetz » 2014-1-16 @ 14:17

To test erly Direct3D performance Monster Truck Madness could be used:
https://web.archive.org/web/19990507122 ... nster.html
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Re: VOGONS Benchmark archive?

Postby Mau1wurf1977 » 2014-1-16 @ 14:43

Ok so we got quite a few links together.

I guess we need to start downloading and testing them :)

Ideally I would like one big ZIP archive. And inside all the Installers. I'd like to avoid having a ZIP inside a ZIP, especially those self-extracting archives.

We also need to put some essentials on there such as DirectX and anything else that might be needed?

Drivers and all of that will be up to the tester of course.
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