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First post, by candle_86

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So whats a good video card to pair with my Pentium 166, I intend to run DOS 6.22 + Windows 3.1

Reply 1 of 17, by The Serpent Rider

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Windows 3.1 kinda limits your options. Why use it on a Pentium machine though?

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Reply 4 of 17, by brostenen

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S3 card perhaps? Trio64v+, Virge-325 or something like that.

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Reply 5 of 17, by tayyare

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candle_86 wrote:

I was thinking a Matrox millenium

Good thinking. I like Millenium cards, best choice I belive for Dos + 3.11

Aaannnnd, what about a V3 PCI? 🤣

GA-6VTXE PIII 1.4+512MB
Geforce4 Ti 4200 64MB
Diamond Monster 3D 12MB SLI
SB AWE64 PNP+32MB
120GB IDE Samsung/80GB IDE Seagate/146GB SCSI Compaq/73GB SCSI IBM
Adaptec AHA29160
3com 3C905B-TX
Gotek+CF Reader
MSDOS 6.22+Win 3.11/95 OSR2.1/98SE/ME/2000

Reply 6 of 17, by candle_86

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tayyare wrote:
candle_86 wrote:

I was thinking a Matrox millenium

Good thinking. I like Millenium cards, best choice I belive for Dos + 3.11

Aaannnnd, what about a V3 PCI? 🤣

way overkill and over budget 🤣, besides my P3 has a Voodoo 3 3000

Reply 7 of 17, by tayyare

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candle_86 wrote:

way overkill and over budget 🤣, besides my P3 has a Voodoo 3 3000

Best kill is overkill. And it should have a GF4 Ti 4xxx and V2 SLI anyways 🤣

GA-6VTXE PIII 1.4+512MB
Geforce4 Ti 4200 64MB
Diamond Monster 3D 12MB SLI
SB AWE64 PNP+32MB
120GB IDE Samsung/80GB IDE Seagate/146GB SCSI Compaq/73GB SCSI IBM
Adaptec AHA29160
3com 3C905B-TX
Gotek+CF Reader
MSDOS 6.22+Win 3.11/95 OSR2.1/98SE/ME/2000

Reply 8 of 17, by candle_86

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tayyare wrote:
candle_86 wrote:

way overkill and over budget 🤣, besides my P3 has a Voodoo 3 3000

Best kill is overkill. And it should have a GF4 Ti 4xxx and V2 SLI anyways 🤣

🤣 Nah

They are structured.

As operational systems
AMD K6-3 400
Voodoo Banshee PCI
64mb PC100
20gb HDD
DVD-RW
Windows 95 OSR 2.5

Pentium 3 1.26ghz
Voodoo 3 3000 AGP
512mb PC133
80gb HDD
DVD-RW
Windows 98SE

Athlon XP 2500
Geforce 3 Ti 200
2gb DDR400
80GB HDD
DVD-RW
Windows XP Home

Athlon 64 X2 4200
Geforce 7900GTX SLI
4GB DDR500
500GB HDD
Windows XP PRo SP3

Core i5 3570
Geforce GT275 FTW
4gb DDR3 1600
500GB HDD
Windows XP Pro 64bit

Other parts I've got just havn't eoither recapped yet or put together

This Pentium 1, which is now going together of course
Athlon 700 (board needs recap)
Celeron D 3.06 Skt 478 board (not sure I want to use this for anything 🤣)
286-12 (likely just going to hang out on my wall, i played with it for awhile but I can't find a real solid use for it.

Reply 9 of 17, by tayyare

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candle_86 wrote:
tayyare wrote:
candle_86 wrote:

way overkill and over budget 🤣, besides my P3 has a Voodoo 3 3000

Best kill is overkill. And it should have a GF4 Ti 4xxx and V2 SLI anyways 🤣

🤣 Nah

They are structured.

🤣 Meh... not so much.

Look below to see how a real structure looks like: (only the active ones)

Pentium MMX 233
64MB PC100
Voodoo 3 PCI
Ssoundblaster 16 CT2230 + NCR MIDI board
80GB ATA + 73GB SCSI + 36GB SCSI (yes, I definitely need all of them, why?)
CD-RW + ZIP + 1.2 FDD + 1.44 FDD
MS-DOS 6.22 + Windows 3.11 / Windows 95 OSR 2.1 / Windows 98 SE

Pentium III 1.4
512MB PC1333
Geforce 4 Ti 4200 + Voodoo2 SLI
SoundBlaster AWE64 + SIMMCONN 32MB
120GB ATA + 80GB ATA + 146GB SCSI + 73GB SCSI (I have my reasons, why? 😊)
DVD-RW + 1.44 FDD + Gotek
MS-DOS 6.22 + Windows 3.11 / Windows 95 OSR 2.1 / Windows 98 SE / Windows ME / Windows 2000

Opteron 180
4GB DDR
GTX 560Ti 1GB
Soundblaster Audigy II ZX
500GB SATA x 4 + 80GB SATA x 4 (stop asking! 🤣)
DVD-RW x 2 + 1.44 FDD
Windows XP SP3

Xeon X5470 (main rig, not retro 😊)
4GB DDR2
GTX 770 2GB
Onboard Sound
1TB x 4 + 2TB x 2
DVD-RW + BD-RW + 1.44 FDD
Windows 7 Ultimate 32bit

Joke aside, our systems looks quite similar if we put aside over powered GPUs and over abundance of OSes on my side of things.

Except HDDs. I love HDDs. 🤣

GA-6VTXE PIII 1.4+512MB
Geforce4 Ti 4200 64MB
Diamond Monster 3D 12MB SLI
SB AWE64 PNP+32MB
120GB IDE Samsung/80GB IDE Seagate/146GB SCSI Compaq/73GB SCSI IBM
Adaptec AHA29160
3com 3C905B-TX
Gotek+CF Reader
MSDOS 6.22+Win 3.11/95 OSR2.1/98SE/ME/2000

Reply 10 of 17, by candle_86

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Well I didn't list my main, its

Ryzen 5 1600 @ 3.925
GTX 1060 6gb
16gb DDR4 3200
240GB SSD
2TB HDD x2
1.5TB HDD
1TB HDD
Windows 10 Pro 1803

Reply 11 of 17, by tayyare

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candle_86 wrote:
Well I didn't list my main, its […]
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Well I didn't list my main, its

Ryzen 5 1600 @ 3.925
GTX 1060 6gb
16gb DDR4 3200
240GB SSD
2TB HDD x2
1.5TB HDD
1TB HDD
Windows 10 Pro 1803

Hey, I see, you too, have some feelings towards HDDs, if not outright love 🤣

And you call an i5 retro? Shame on you man, shame on you!

🤣

GA-6VTXE PIII 1.4+512MB
Geforce4 Ti 4200 64MB
Diamond Monster 3D 12MB SLI
SB AWE64 PNP+32MB
120GB IDE Samsung/80GB IDE Seagate/146GB SCSI Compaq/73GB SCSI IBM
Adaptec AHA29160
3com 3C905B-TX
Gotek+CF Reader
MSDOS 6.22+Win 3.11/95 OSR2.1/98SE/ME/2000

Reply 12 of 17, by candle_86

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tayyare wrote:
Hey, I see, you too, have some feelings towards HDDs, if not outright love :lol: […]
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candle_86 wrote:
Well I didn't list my main, its […]
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Well I didn't list my main, its

Ryzen 5 1600 @ 3.925
GTX 1060 6gb
16gb DDR4 3200
240GB SSD
2TB HDD x2
1.5TB HDD
1TB HDD
Windows 10 Pro 1803

Hey, I see, you too, have some feelings towards HDDs, if not outright love 🤣

And you call an i5 retro? Shame on you man, shame on you!

🤣

Lol, not retro retro, but it blends in at work being that its a dell and no one knows what it is, at least those that shouldnt lmao.

Reply 13 of 17, by KCompRoom2000

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brostenen wrote:

S3 card perhaps? Trio64v+, Virge-325 or something like that.

Seconded, although if you can't get your hands on an S3 video card or a Matrox Millennium, there are a few other fine options for Windows 3.1x:

- Intel i740 - Has official Windows 3.1x drivers despite being released in 1998 and the DOS game compatibility closely matches S3 video cards.
- Cirrus Logic (GD5430-5465) - DOS game compatibility is nearly identical to S3 video cards.
- ATI Mach64 or Rage1/II/Pro/LT (Mach64 drivers can be used on those Rage cards) - DOS game compatibility is not as good as S3 but equal to Matrox, it depends on the games you want to play.

Source for DOS game compatibility tests: https://gona.mactar.hu/DOS_TESTS/

I realize you probably won't bother with most of the games listed in that page, so the decision for which brand of video card you'll like the most is up to you.

Reply 14 of 17, by brostenen

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S3's should be plenty on eBay. Though I like CL-5446-PCI better than S3-Trio64v+/Virge-325 (I like the image quality), I find the S3 cards to be a better performer on a Pentium-166 and up. The reason as to why I keep 5446's to high end 486 machines. I was recommending the S3 cards, as the OP asked about a Dos/3.11 setup, and not about a Win9x setup. For a 9x setup, I would say Matrox+Voodoo1.

I see the difference between S3-Trio64v+/Virge-325 and CL-5446. As the CL has more vibrant colours and the S3's as having a stronger signal plus more sharp contrast. Performancewise, I see no real difference in speed, when sitting and gaming something like Duke3D. They feel equally fast in real life. I see the difference in benchmarks though. Numbers don't cheat. 😁

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Reply 15 of 17, by oeuvre

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There's a seller that's selling Matrox Millenniums for $9.95 shipped on ebay. I just scooped one up, he has more.

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Reply 16 of 17, by candle_86

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oeuvre wrote:

There's a seller that's selling Matrox Millenniums for $9.95 shipped on ebay. I just scooped one up, he has more.

I bought one as well

Reply 17 of 17, by gdjacobs

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brostenen wrote:

S3's should be plenty on eBay. Though I like CL-5446-PCI better than S3-Trio64v+/Virge-325 (I like the image quality), I find the S3 cards to be a better performer on a Pentium-166 and up. The reason as to why I keep 5446's to high end 486 machines. I was recommending the S3 cards, as the OP asked about a Dos/3.11 setup, and not about a Win9x setup. For a 9x setup, I would say Matrox+Voodoo1.

I see the difference between S3-Trio64v+/Virge-325 and CL-5446. As the CL has more vibrant colours and the S3's as having a stronger signal plus more sharp contrast. Performancewise, I see no real difference in speed, when sitting and gaming something like Duke3D. They feel equally fast in real life. I see the difference in benchmarks though. Numbers don't cheat. 😁

Both the 5446 and S3 lineup are great for DOS. Either one would make a wonderful choice.

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