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Reply 360 of 436, by Mumak

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repaxan wrote on 2020-05-12, 15:49:
Mumak wrote on 2020-05-12, 08:40:

Hum, I checked the documents and your setting of FSB ratio isn't even documented in the BIOS specification 😀

It's in the motherboard manual, page 39 shows the BIOS screen and page 42 has the description:

https://download1.gigabyte.com/Files/Manual/m … ep45-ud3p_e.pdf

I meant the chipset BIOS specification which describes how the BIOS should work with the chipset 😉 But I have a fix for this now..

Reply 361 of 436, by BSA Starfire

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A few tests I have done on a couple of my machines, Celeron Mendocino 466, ASUS CUSL2, 3DFX Voodoo banshee, ME. And again the cyrix MII using first the on motherboard SiS 6326 Rev C3 AGP and then a PCI 6326 Rev Ho, Revisions on the 6326 are a pretty big deal if you care about such things(really do make the difference between play and not play, slideshow or fine), so would be great if you could determine those accurately .

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286 20MHz,1MB RAM,Trident 8900B 1MB, Conner CFA-170A.SB 1350B
386SX 33MHz,ULSI 387,4MB Ram,OAK OTI077 1MB. Seagate ST1144A, MS WSS audio
Amstrad PC 9486i, DX/2 66, 16 MB RAM, Cirrus SVGA,Win 95,SB 16
Cyrix MII 333,128MB,SiS 6326 H0 rev,ESS 1869,Win ME

Reply 362 of 436, by Mumak

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BSA Starfire wrote on 2020-05-14, 12:00:

A few tests I have done on a couple of my machines, Celeron Mendocino 466, ASUS CUSL2, 3DFX Voodoo banshee, ME. And again the cyrix MII using first the on motherboard SiS 6326 Rev C3 AGP and then a PCI 6326 Rev Ho, Revisions on the 6326 are a pretty big deal if you care about such things(really do make the difference between play and not play, slideshow or fine), so would be great if you could determine those accurately .

Thanks! I will update reporting of the 6326 revision. Do you know the full name of the Palit card?

Reply 363 of 436, by BSA Starfire

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Sorry no, all I have is the card, picture in my thread 2nd post(Re: Games to play on a socket 7 machine with SiS 6326 graphics.), info is kinda limited on these low end items I find, got another 6326 also, just dropped off to me by a buddy, do you want the report file from that one too? pic of that is post 16 on above thread, literally just installed it and seeing what it is all about, I think it might be a pine tech card?

286 20MHz,1MB RAM,Trident 8900B 1MB, Conner CFA-170A.SB 1350B
386SX 33MHz,ULSI 387,4MB Ram,OAK OTI077 1MB. Seagate ST1144A, MS WSS audio
Amstrad PC 9486i, DX/2 66, 16 MB RAM, Cirrus SVGA,Win 95,SB 16
Cyrix MII 333,128MB,SiS 6326 H0 rev,ESS 1869,Win ME

Reply 364 of 436, by Mumak

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BSA Starfire wrote on 2020-05-14, 12:47:

Sorry no, all I have is the card, picture in my thread 2nd post(Re: Games to play on a socket 7 machine with SiS 6326 graphics.), info is kinda limited on these low end items I find, got another 6326 also, just dropped off to me by a buddy, do you want the report file from that one too? pic of that is post 16 on above thread, literally just installed it and seeing what it is all about, I think it might be a pine tech card?

OK, so I'll call that card as Palit AGP6326 😁
A report of the other card would be interesting just to see the PCI revision. I assume 0Bh is H0, that was the Palit card at least.

Reply 365 of 436, by BSA Starfire

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Here is the new 8 MB Ho revisions card report.
Not sure calling it that is gonna be a good idea, despite the chip being 6326 AGP, both these cards are PCI! Weird world is the low end VGA card of the 90's!

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286 20MHz,1MB RAM,Trident 8900B 1MB, Conner CFA-170A.SB 1350B
386SX 33MHz,ULSI 387,4MB Ram,OAK OTI077 1MB. Seagate ST1144A, MS WSS audio
Amstrad PC 9486i, DX/2 66, 16 MB RAM, Cirrus SVGA,Win 95,SB 16
Cyrix MII 333,128MB,SiS 6326 H0 rev,ESS 1869,Win ME

Reply 367 of 436, by BSA Starfire

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Seems fair to me! 🤣
Do you know of any way of reading the clock speed of the actually 6326 itself? I'm curious as to that between these 3 chips.

286 20MHz,1MB RAM,Trident 8900B 1MB, Conner CFA-170A.SB 1350B
386SX 33MHz,ULSI 387,4MB Ram,OAK OTI077 1MB. Seagate ST1144A, MS WSS audio
Amstrad PC 9486i, DX/2 66, 16 MB RAM, Cirrus SVGA,Win 95,SB 16
Cyrix MII 333,128MB,SiS 6326 H0 rev,ESS 1869,Win ME

Reply 368 of 436, by Mumak

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BSA Starfire wrote on 2020-05-14, 13:45:

Seems fair to me! 🤣
Do you know of any way of reading the clock speed of the actually 6326 itself? I'm curious as to that between these 3 chips.

I'm not aware of any software method. Such early cards often didn't feature registers that could read/set the chip clock. It was often hard-wired from the XTAL via some semi-fixed PLLs. Usually only memory clock was configurable so that particular vendors could use different chips.

Reply 369 of 436, by BSA Starfire

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Thanks chap, I suspected it'd be something along those lines or you'd have done it ages ago! Anyhow be neat to have the correct revisions reported on the 6326 in future in case any other idiot like me decides to actually try to play games on the thing in the future!

286 20MHz,1MB RAM,Trident 8900B 1MB, Conner CFA-170A.SB 1350B
386SX 33MHz,ULSI 387,4MB Ram,OAK OTI077 1MB. Seagate ST1144A, MS WSS audio
Amstrad PC 9486i, DX/2 66, 16 MB RAM, Cirrus SVGA,Win 95,SB 16
Cyrix MII 333,128MB,SiS 6326 H0 rev,ESS 1869,Win ME

Reply 370 of 436, by GL1zdA

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What font is HWiNFO using? I've just ran it on a vanilla Windows 95 installation and HWiNFO uses the default "Fixedsys", so I don't have it installed.

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Reply 371 of 436, by Mumak

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GL1zdA wrote on 2020-05-14, 20:06:

What font is HWiNFO using? I've just ran it on a vanilla Windows 95 installation and HWiNFO uses the default "Fixedsys", so I don't have it installed.

Mostly it's Tahoma.

Reply 372 of 436, by GL1zdA

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Mumak wrote on 2020-05-14, 20:22:
GL1zdA wrote on 2020-05-14, 20:06:

What font is HWiNFO using? I've just ran it on a vanilla Windows 95 installation and HWiNFO uses the default "Fixedsys", so I don't have it installed.

Mostly it's Tahoma.

Would it be possible to fallback to MS Sans Serif if Tahoma is missing (MS added it to Windows 98)? It should look better then Fixedsys.

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Reply 373 of 436, by Mumak

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GL1zdA wrote on 2020-05-15, 20:12:
Mumak wrote on 2020-05-14, 20:22:
GL1zdA wrote on 2020-05-14, 20:06:

What font is HWiNFO using? I've just ran it on a vanilla Windows 95 installation and HWiNFO uses the default "Fixedsys", so I don't have it installed.

Mostly it's Tahoma.

Would it be possible to fallback to MS Sans Serif if Tahoma is missing (MS added it to Windows 98)? It should look better then Fixedsys.

Not so trivial I'm afraid. The issue is also not just the missing fonts, but vanilla Win95 is missing also other more advanced GUI elements. I think that best is to install IE4.

Reply 374 of 436, by BSA Starfire

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Couple more report files, the Cyrix MII you've previously seen but now with a Cirrus Logic Laguna 3D installed. And then my Time Cyrix MII on ALi chipset with it's built in Rage Pro. On obvious thing I see with the Time machine is that it shows PR366 rather than the PR 333 it really is.

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286 20MHz,1MB RAM,Trident 8900B 1MB, Conner CFA-170A.SB 1350B
386SX 33MHz,ULSI 387,4MB Ram,OAK OTI077 1MB. Seagate ST1144A, MS WSS audio
Amstrad PC 9486i, DX/2 66, 16 MB RAM, Cirrus SVGA,Win 95,SB 16
Cyrix MII 333,128MB,SiS 6326 H0 rev,ESS 1869,Win ME

Reply 375 of 436, by Mumak

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BSA Starfire wrote on 2020-05-16, 15:03:

Couple more report files, the Cyrix MII you've previously seen but now with a Cirrus Logic Laguna 3D installed. And then my Time Cyrix MII on ALi chipset with it's built in Rage Pro. On obvious thing I see with the Time machine is that it shows PR366 rather than the PR 333 it really is.

Thanks! Unfortunately the PR cannot be precisely determined as the CPU doesn't tell this nor what its limits are. So we can report this only based on actual clock. I will check how can I improve this.

Reply 377 of 436, by Mumak

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repaxan wrote on 2020-05-21, 03:52:

Another 775 bug, this time it's the voltage readings on a EVGA 790i Ultra SLI motherboard.

Real voltages of the PSU are around 11.9v, 5.15v, 3.42v.

Thanks. This shall be fixed in the next (Beta) build. Except the CPU Current, which I don't know how to read.

Reply 378 of 436, by TorqueDaisy

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I tried running HWINFO32 on my newly built Pentium 3 machine and it seems my GA-6VX7-4X board may not support it very well, the moment I view sensors the entire computer completely shuts off. Not sure what to do about that.

Reply 379 of 436, by Mumak

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TorqueDaisy wrote on 2020-05-21, 23:27:

I tried running HWINFO32 on my newly built Pentium 3 machine and it seems my GA-6VX7-4X board may not support it very well, the moment I view sensors the entire computer completely shuts off. Not sure what to do about that.

Please enable Debug Mode, run it and after the shutdown and reboot grab the HWiNFO32.DBG file that was produced. I need to analyze it and see how to fix.