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First post, by Sedrosken

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Hi all,

With me running into a wall at full speed trying to get my YMF744 card working in my Tualatin machine -- it's great under Windows 98SE, but DOS stuff just plain doesn't work no matter what I do (boils down to lack of DDMA on the 815EP rev2 chipset or SB-link support on my board) -- I reached out to a friend who was looking to get rid of some stuff anyway since he's being made to move as his lease is up. From him I have a rev 0.4 Epox EP-61BXA-M board coming (as well as a K8N board but that's a story for another day...) and I was wondering about maybe getting a Coppermine CPU working on it. I've already ordered a slotket (MS-6905 v2) and I've already got a couple candidates in mind, but I'm a little confused since I read something about Tualatin-compatible slotkets only working on rev 0.5 or higher of this board. Is that just for those Tualatin-compatible slotkets or am I going to run into issues trying to run Coppermine too? I don't need to be able to push 133FSB -- though it'd be nice if I can since I have one of the last AGP cards that play nice with that, apparently -- I just need to not be stuck with Klamath/Deschutes/Katmai. Maybe I need a BIOS update? If so, does anyone know where I might find that?

The CPUs I've got in mind for this thing are the classic Pentium III 1000EB (1000/256/133) and a Celeron 1000 (1000/128/100). I imagine the PIII has a locked multiplier so if I try to run it, it'll be at 750MHz unless I get really lucky. The Celeron however has a higher multiplier -- but at 1GHz, with a 100MHz FSB I doubt the cache is going to hurt it any worse than the FSB will. I toyed with the idea of getting a PIII 1000/256/100 but that'd be useless unless the Celeron will work as well... again, I'm remembering issues with multipliers...

I vaguely remember having issues with the SE440BX-2 out of my Dell XPS T600r to the effect of not being able to use CPUs with multipliers higher than 8.5x, but it did support Coppermine... did you need a certain stepping of the 440BX chipset to support that? I'm a little wary since I saw dates from 1998 when I looked at reviews for this board.

Either way, I didn't pay a ton for it, so if it won't work that way I'll be disappointed but it won't sink all my dreams or anything. I suppose in that event I'll have to manage my expectations a bit more -- cross some games off the list, mostly post-2001 titles -- and try to get ahold of as fast a Katmai CPU as I can find.

Last edited by Sedrosken on 2020-04-08, 01:27. Edited 1 time in total.

Nanto: H61H2-AM3, 4GB, GTS250 1GB, SB0730, 512GB SSD, XP USP4
Rithwic: EP-61BXM-A, Celeron 300A@450, 768MB, GF2MX400/V2, YMF744, 128GB SD2IDE, 98SE (Kex)
Cragstone: Alaris Cougar, 486BL2-66, 16MB, GD5428 VLB, CT2800, 16GB SD2IDE, 95CNOIE

Reply 1 of 7, by Horun

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I do not think it will support above 8x multiplier unless you can do some type of mod. Looking at manual page 3-4 it appears it could support thru 8x but hard to tell.

Hate posting a reply and then have to edit it because it made no sense 😁 First computer was an IBM 3270 workstation with CGA monitor. Stuff: https://archive.org/details/@horun

Reply 2 of 7, by Sedrosken

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Looking at the same diagram I'd wager it'd go up to the same 8.5x limit as my SE440BX-2, unless maybe closing multiple jumpers does anything special. I suppose I'll just have to do some good old-fashioned Testing™️ once I get everything in... the multiplier is of lesser concern to be honest, as on a 100MHz bus I imagine there's not much difference between 850MHz and 1GHz. I'm more concerned at the idea of Coppermine CPUs working at all. Plus, my slotket might be of some limited help in getting the multiplier problem sorted... I'm not honestly sure yet.

Nanto: H61H2-AM3, 4GB, GTS250 1GB, SB0730, 512GB SSD, XP USP4
Rithwic: EP-61BXM-A, Celeron 300A@450, 768MB, GF2MX400/V2, YMF744, 128GB SD2IDE, 98SE (Kex)
Cragstone: Alaris Cougar, 486BL2-66, 16MB, GD5428 VLB, CT2800, 16GB SD2IDE, 95CNOIE

Reply 3 of 7, by PC Hoarder Patrol

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Epox recommend (at least for the rev 0.5) up to 600 / 600E but there are plenty of BX boards capable of 800MHz - 1GHz so it'd be worth trying.

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Reply 4 of 7, by Sedrosken

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Yeah, see, it's the Rev 0.5 bit that has me concerned -- mine is a 0.4. I just hope I'm not restricted to PIIs -- that'd really suck. It also makes the distinction that it's with a 2Mbit BIOS chip -- I hope it's already magically got one, but I'm growing more doubtful by the moment. It'd probably be too much work to get ahold of a compatible chip and flash it since I don't have access to an EEPROM programmer. Plus, the table has me thinking someone would have to go patching in support if that's even possible for anything above that.

If I can't get higher-end coppermines to work on here, would anyone happen to know any models of 440BX board that would outside of the really popular (read: expensive) ones?

Nanto: H61H2-AM3, 4GB, GTS250 1GB, SB0730, 512GB SSD, XP USP4
Rithwic: EP-61BXM-A, Celeron 300A@450, 768MB, GF2MX400/V2, YMF744, 128GB SD2IDE, 98SE (Kex)
Cragstone: Alaris Cougar, 486BL2-66, 16MB, GD5428 VLB, CT2800, 16GB SD2IDE, 95CNOIE

Reply 5 of 7, by Sedrosken

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Well, turns out it's not as hard as I thought -- here I am using BP to hack up an already hacked-up (to add 128GB disk support) BIOS for this board! unknown.png
Now, that said, I'm only going to use this image with a flash utility as a last resort. I don't want to go bricking a board on a whim. But, if this does work... it'll be so cool!

Nanto: H61H2-AM3, 4GB, GTS250 1GB, SB0730, 512GB SSD, XP USP4
Rithwic: EP-61BXM-A, Celeron 300A@450, 768MB, GF2MX400/V2, YMF744, 128GB SD2IDE, 98SE (Kex)
Cragstone: Alaris Cougar, 486BL2-66, 16MB, GD5428 VLB, CT2800, 16GB SD2IDE, 95CNOIE

Reply 6 of 7, by PC Hoarder Patrol

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I've the OEM version of the SE440BX-2 (the -3) from a Dell and it happily runs the 1GHz/256/100 coppermine on a variety of slockets and it has a Yamaha sound chip on-board. There are a few good BX boards but for what they are, they can be pricey. It looks as if most of the microcode updates from Epox were for the 2Mb bios images (1999-2000) rather than the 1Mb ones (1998), but hopefully you'll get lucky with your bios hack 😀

Reply 7 of 7, by Sedrosken

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I'm hoping I get lucky and just slot something in and it works, the BIOS hack is only for if nothing else works because I get the feeling there's a good chance that I'll brick the board with this.

My SE440BX-2 was a Dell OEM as well! Like I said, it came from an XPS T600r, and even with the latest BIOS I could find, it'd turn its nose up at anything with a multiplier over 8.5. I wonder if I should dig it out and give it a shot again with the MS-6905v2, since last time I was just using some no-name slotket that may or may not have been intended for Celerons only.

Nanto: H61H2-AM3, 4GB, GTS250 1GB, SB0730, 512GB SSD, XP USP4
Rithwic: EP-61BXM-A, Celeron 300A@450, 768MB, GF2MX400/V2, YMF744, 128GB SD2IDE, 98SE (Kex)
Cragstone: Alaris Cougar, 486BL2-66, 16MB, GD5428 VLB, CT2800, 16GB SD2IDE, 95CNOIE