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Reply 20 of 60, by Roman555

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red-ray wrote on 2022-11-13, 14:39:
red-ray wrote on 2022-11-12, 14:56:

I have a W7 x32 system with a 660 and a W7 x64 with 2 x Xeon (Irwindale), both have hyperthreading working.

Roman555 wrote on 2022-11-13, 14:20:

Is there any dual-threaded (or dual-core) CPU at all which shows both CPU into OS ?

Yes, of course there are, further I specified I have two and actually have several others. I also posted a screen shot that shows two CPUs.

I meant the topic-starter's motherboad 😀 Your GA-8IPE775P of course works well (no any whitelist restrictions or any HT-option bug)

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Reply 21 of 60, by biessea

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Roman555 wrote on 2022-11-13, 14:52:
red-ray wrote on 2022-11-13, 14:39:
red-ray wrote on 2022-11-12, 14:56:

I have a W7 x32 system with a 660 and a W7 x64 with 2 x Xeon (Irwindale), both have hyperthreading working.

Roman555 wrote on 2022-11-13, 14:20:

Is there any dual-threaded (or dual-core) CPU at all which shows both CPU into OS ?

Yes, of course there are, further I specified I have two and actually have several others. I also posted a screen shot that shows two CPUs.

I meant the topic-starter's motherboad 😀 Your GA-8IPE775P of course works well (no any whitelist restrictions or any HT-option bug)

I changed a this p4 640 with a p4 630 with the same silly result.

The board is a Lenovo OEM Intel 945G chipset

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Reply 22 of 60, by red-ray

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biessea wrote on 2022-11-13, 14:47:
Hey there, whyt did you mention Windows XP? I never installed it and I want to install Win 7 Ultimate 64bit, nothing else. […]
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Hey there, whyt did you mention Windows XP? I never installed it and I want to install Win 7 Ultimate 64bit, nothing else.

Anyway I read various times what you are asking me to do but I really don't understand.

How to run your utility by command prompt? (administrator run I think).

And what about the Win 7 DVD boot? Please explain me better so I can make the test you need and perhaps we can go further and solve this absurd problem.

PS: Hey, these is a way for your nice utility to increase the speed of refreshing? It is fixed?

I know you don't wish to run XP, I suggested checking what happens of XP as a way to know if any version of Windows uses both threads.

You need to tell me exactly what you don't understand for me to provide more detail. Post images of how far you got and explain what you don't understand.

I suggested running SIV from the Win 7 installation DVD as a way to easily check what happens with exactly the same W7 as I used. When you boot the DVD select repair/recover then choose command prompt. This will open a command window in which you need to CD to the folder where the SIV files are then type SIV32X or SIV64X to run SIV. My DVD booted into W7 x32 rather than W7 x64 so I needed to use SIV32X. I am also wondering if W7 x32 may "see" both CPUs when W7 x64 does not.

Back in around 2005 x64 was very new and not all motherboard BIOSes supported x64. I know my Gigabyte 8IPE775P does not which is why W7 x32 is installed, it's possible your BIOS half supports x64, but tells Windows there is one thread rather than two.

Yes, the rates can be changed, see -UPDATE on [About]. How often would you like the information to be updated and why?

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Reply 23 of 60, by biessea

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red-ray wrote on 2022-11-13, 15:17:
I know you don't wish to run XP, I suggested checking what happens of XP as a way to know if any version of Windows uses both th […]
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biessea wrote on 2022-11-13, 14:47:
Hey there, whyt did you mention Windows XP? I never installed it and I want to install Win 7 Ultimate 64bit, nothing else. […]
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Hey there, whyt did you mention Windows XP? I never installed it and I want to install Win 7 Ultimate 64bit, nothing else.

Anyway I read various times what you are asking me to do but I really don't understand.

How to run your utility by command prompt? (administrator run I think).

And what about the Win 7 DVD boot? Please explain me better so I can make the test you need and perhaps we can go further and solve this absurd problem.

PS: Hey, these is a way for your nice utility to increase the speed of refreshing? It is fixed?

I know you don't wish to run XP, I suggested checking what happens of XP as a way to know if any version of Windows uses both threads.

You need to tell me exactly what you don't understand for me to provide more detail. Post images of how far you got and explain what you don't understand.

I suggested running SIV from the Win 7 installation DVD as a way to easily check what happens when exactly the same W7 as I used. When you boot the DVD select repair/recover then choose command prompt. This will open a command window in which you need to CD to the folder where the SIV files are then type SIV32X or SIV64X to run SIV. My DVD booted into W7 x32 rather than W7 x64 so I needed to use SIV32X. I am also wondering if W7 x32 may "see" both CPUs when W7 x64 does not.

Back in around 2005 x64 was very new and not all motherboard BIOSes supported x64. I know my Gigabyte 8IPE775P does not which is why W7 x32 is installed, it's possible your BIOS half supports x64, but tells Windows there is one thread rather than two.

Yes, the rates can be changed, see -UPDATE on [About]. How often would you like the information to be updated and why?

Ok so soon I will boot from the Win 7 DVD and go to REPAIR.

Then I go to the folder of your utility and I make it run. I will make a photo then.

Thanks for the update rating control, I simply wanted to be more "responsive" and have datas half of a second instead reresh only one second a time.

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Reply 24 of 60, by red-ray

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biessea wrote on 2022-11-13, 15:26:

I simply wanted to be more "responsive" and have datas half of a second instead reresh only one second a time.

All this will do is mean SIV uses more CPU time. The default for the CPUs and GPUs is every two seconds which is plenty fast enough.

SIV will report your system way better once KB4474419 is installed, have you installed it?

Reply 25 of 60, by biessea

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red-ray wrote on 2022-11-13, 15:38:
biessea wrote on 2022-11-13, 15:26:

I simply wanted to be more "responsive" and have datas half of a second instead reresh only one second a time.

All this will do is mean SIV uses more CPU time. The default for the CPUs and GPUs is every two seconds which is plenty fast enough.

SIV will report your system way better once KB4474419 is installed, have you installed it?

I am upgrading another system at the moment (172 Windows 7 upgrades and It's just finishing) then I will return on this system with HT problems..

give me another little bit of time

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Reply 26 of 60, by red-ray

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biessea wrote on 2022-11-13, 15:45:

172 Windows 7 upgrades.

OK, one of the 172 will be KB4474419 so once they have finished SIV will be able to use its driver on that system.

Reply 27 of 60, by Horun

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Sorry thought you had tried XP also with same result. Yeah I was too busy focused on the pictures of SIV summary and not the text plus cpu-z only showing one core/one thread...I got no ideas

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Reply 28 of 60, by Roman555

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I googled and found out that ThinkCentre A52 (type 8153, ...) supports dual-core P4 well as a BIOS is fresher (2009). But it's incompatible, IMO (BIOS chip types and SIO manufacturers are very different)

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Reply 29 of 60, by biessea

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Roman555 wrote on 2022-11-13, 16:48:

I googled and found out that ThinkCentre A52 (type 8153, ...) supports dual-core P4 well as a BIOS is fresher (2009). But it's incompatible, IMO (BIOS chip types and SIO manufacturers are very different)

hey yes, I have the 8343 CTO version.

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Reply 30 of 60, by biessea

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red-ray wrote on 2022-11-13, 16:10:
biessea wrote on 2022-11-13, 15:45:

172 Windows 7 upgrades.

OK, one of the 172 will be KB4474419 so once they have finished SIV will be able to use its driver on that system.

Here I am with the update that you asked me.

I run from the DVD and went to restore. CMD prompt and run the 32x version (the 64x doesn't work in that state).

I put the photo of the results, the situation is always the same, I hope you have other ideas.

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Reply 31 of 60, by red-ray

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biessea wrote on 2022-11-13, 17:17:

Here I am with the update that you asked me.

Sill only one CPU 🙁 You used W8.1 x32 rather than W7 x32, but I suspect W7 x32 will also only have one CPU.

I can't think of anything else to try that would help figure out the root cause and fix it.

Reply 32 of 60, by Roman555

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If I were you I would try to install Win XP Pro 32bit version. The BIOS is dated 2006 when there was no even Windows Vista

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Reply 33 of 60, by biessea

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red-ray wrote on 2022-11-13, 17:45:
biessea wrote on 2022-11-13, 17:17:

Here I am with the update that you asked me.

Sill only one CPU 🙁 You used W8.1 x32 rather than W7 x32, but I suspect W7 x32 will also only have one CPU.

I can't think of anything else to try that would help figure out the root cause and fix it.

So what is your advice? Trying Windows 8.1? 32 bit?

I have 4gb of ram I am sad to think to waste 1gb of ram using 32bit s/o

Ps: no, I used the same dvd of the installation, Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit.
I don't know your utils found it as 8.1.

Do you think I download the last W7 version and try to reinstall it?

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Reply 34 of 60, by biessea

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Roman555 wrote on 2022-11-13, 18:08:

If I were you I would try to install Win XP Pro 32bit version. The BIOS is dated 2006 when there was no even Windows Vista

I don't want to install a system that isn't usable at all today.
I have to give this computer to my father so I want him to use and surf on internet without any problems.

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Reply 35 of 60, by Roman555

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biessea wrote on 2022-11-13, 18:22:

I have 4gb of ram I am sad to think to waste 1gb of ram using 32bit s/o

It's a chipset feature not a 32bit-OS. i945 is usually capable to provide for OS upto 3-3.5Gb of RAM. It depends on many things (BIOS's developer, installed PCI devices, graphic cards).
If it was i965 (for example) it would provide full 4Gb so 32bit-OS have to use PAE to get full access.

biessea wrote on 2022-11-13, 18:24:
Roman555 wrote on 2022-11-13, 18:08:

If I were you I would try to install Win XP Pro 32bit version. The BIOS is dated 2006 when there was no even Windows Vista

I don't want to install a system that isn't usable at all today.
I have to give this computer to my father so I want him to use and surf on internet without any problems.

I understand. It's just an experiment. Also Linux is more usable for surfing than Win7.

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Reply 36 of 60, by biessea

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Roman555 wrote on 2022-11-13, 18:32:
It's a chipset feature not a 32bit-OS. i945 is usually capable to provide for OS upto 3-3.5Gb of RAM. It depends on many things […]
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biessea wrote on 2022-11-13, 18:22:

I have 4gb of ram I am sad to think to waste 1gb of ram using 32bit s/o

It's a chipset feature not a 32bit-OS. i945 is usually capable to provide for OS upto 3-3.5Gb of RAM. It depends on many things (BIOS's developer, installed PCI devices, graphic cards).
If it was i965 (for example) it would provide full 4Gb so 32bit-OS have to use PAE to get full access.

biessea wrote on 2022-11-13, 18:24:
Roman555 wrote on 2022-11-13, 18:08:

If I were you I would try to install Win XP Pro 32bit version. The BIOS is dated 2006 when there was no even Windows Vista

I don't want to install a system that isn't usable at all today.
I have to give this computer to my father so I want him to use and surf on internet without any problems.

I understand. It's just an experiment. Also Linux is more usable for surfing than Win7.

Oh yes sorry, I am confusing a little bit cause I have another system than it's a Lenovo A55 and have all 4gb installed there.
In this system I have 3gb installed in four modules and dual channel enabled.
So I will try a Win 7 home edition, or perhaps a Win 10 too what do you think? It's a big shame to have Hyperthreading and don' t use it.

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Reply 37 of 60, by Horun

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It has to be something between the BIOS/chipset and the OS that is not seeing the HT (640) or dual core (D915) proper is the OS. Would be interesting to see what a Linux Live boot cd says........

Hate posting a reply and then have to edit it because it made no sense 😁 First computer was an IBM 3270 workstation with CGA monitor.

Reply 38 of 60, by biessea

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Horun wrote on 2022-11-13, 19:06:

It has to be something between the BIOS/chipset and the OS that is not seeing the HT (640) or dual core (D915) proper is the OS. Would be interesting to see what a Linux Live boot cd says........

And this problem hasn't never been out before? I am really surprised, cause this Lenovo Pc were sold a lot.

So no other ideas than try and try other OS?

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Reply 39 of 60, by Roman555

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biessea wrote on 2022-11-13, 18:57:

Oh yes sorry, I am confusing a little bit cause I have another system than it's a Lenovo A55 and have all 4gb installed there.
In this system I have 3gb installed in four modules and dual channel enabled.
So I will try a Win 7 home edition, or perhaps a Win 10 too what do you think? It's a big shame to have Hyperthreading and don' t use it.

Now it doesn't matter which exactly edition of Win7 you're trying. Any edition should use more than one CPU cores (I don't remember about Win7 starter though 😀 ).
Personally I don't like Windows 10 because it likes to live its own life 😀 I understand that you think Win10 is usable and WinXP is not. Anyway I would try both 😀

biessea wrote on 2022-11-13, 19:13:
Horun wrote on 2022-11-13, 19:06:

It has to be something between the BIOS/chipset and the OS that is not seeing the HT (640) or dual core (D915) proper is the OS. Would be interesting to see what a Linux Live boot cd says........

And this problem hasn't never been out before? I am really surprised, cause this Lenovo Pc were sold a lot.

So no other ideas than try and try other OS?

Of course there is one more way: to desolder BIOS chip, find dump from type 8114 and flash it, solder PLCC32 socket and so on 😀 And it may not help too.

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