vlask wrote:

Nice list but will be hard searching for info, since all of em are profi cards. And they usually dont release name of used chipsets - i guess i have to use name of cards....
BTW don't know any info source about early matrox - you do? As far as i know matrox were using chips from other chips makers - s3 in early 90's for example. And its hard to find out even card list.

The 3D Graphics Accelerators FAQ has info on some of them (Dynamic Pictures, AccelGraphics).
InfoWorld is often a good source, I think I saw there some info about the early Matroxes. Also finding links to the companies website and looking them up on Wayback Machine is a good idea - this is what usually what works best for me. If you want just the chips, then the early pro cards were often based on Ti 34010, 34020, ACRTC (Hitachi 63484), NEC 7220 and AMD AM95C60 (QPDM, Quad Pixel Dataflow Manager - there is very little info on that one).

vlask wrote:

Nice list but will be hard searching for info, since all of em are profi cards. And they usually dont release name of used chipsets - i guess i have to use name of cards....

If you can find a high-quality (2-megapixel or more typically) photo of card or scan of card from a collector, and the heatsinks are removed, you can get the used chipsets off that sometimes.

GL1zdA wrote:

AMD AM95C60 (QPDM, Quad Pixel Dataflow Manager - there is very little info on that one).

Nonsense.

You've probably seen this:
Datasheet (27 p.): http://www.vgamuseum.info/images/stories/doc/amd/am95c60.pdf
(same) Datasheet (27 p.): http://www.o2xygen.com/photo/AM95C60-20GC-30/ … 20GC-30_001.pdf
(same) Datasheet (27 p.): http://www.datasheetarchive.com/AM95C60-datasheet.html

But have you seen this?
Technical Manual (187 p.): http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/amd/Am95C60_QPDM … sion_B_1987.pdf

Still to come (you may find these at Bitsavers.org eventually):
http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/ac … ssion/102636806
http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/ac … ssion/102636801

Bitsavers.org is the best. 😀

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GL1zdA wrote:

AMD AM95C60 (QPDM, Quad Pixel Dataflow Manager - there is very little info on that one).

Nonsense.

You've probably seen this:
Datasheet (27 p.): http://www.vgamuseum.info/images/stories/doc/amd/am95c60.pdf
(same) Datasheet (27 p.): http://www.o2xygen.com/photo/AM95C60-20GC-30/ … 20GC-30_001.pdf
(same) Datasheet (27 p.): http://www.datasheetarchive.com/AM95C60-datasheet.html

But have you seen this?
Technical Manual (187 p.): http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/amd/Am95C60_QPDM … sion_B_1987.pdf

Still to come (you may find these at Bitsavers.org eventually):
http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/ac … ssion/102636806
http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/ac … ssion/102636801

Bitsavers.org is the best. 😀

Yes, I've seen this. This is what I call "little info" - no information about the actual cards manufactured with this chip. While you can find plenty of cards with the TI 34010, I could count implementations of the Am95C60 I'm aware of on fingers of one hand.

vlask wrote:

Well this is list of graphic chips makers, not graphic cards. And don't know any chip made by hercules. Well dunno about hercules color card (never seen any photo), but 1st models were based on motorola 6845 or clones and later they were using also other makers chips (intel for example).

ah, if that is the distinction then IBM MDA/CGA for example shouldn't really be there either, as they were based on the Motorola 6845 as well (without any IBM parts at all IIRC).

btw never heard about Plantronics (dont do they headphones now?).

So do Hercules (though it's just a repurposed brand name). 😀
Plantronics had that ColorPlus card which was basically a sandwich of 2 CGA clones... doubling video RAM to 32k and giving a bunch of new video modes. There's some other stuff from that era which qualifies as actual graphics chips though they were often built into the mainboard (as in PCjr, Tandy 1000, lots of clones), don't know if that fits the purpose of your list.

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vlask wrote:

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VileRancour wrote:

Back on topic - I see no obvious early '80s stuff like Hercules or Plantronics? Could send them in if I find the time, though I guess the info should be readily available 😀

Well this is list of graphic chips makers, not graphic cards. And don't know any chip made by hercules. Well dunno about hercules color card (never seen any photo), but 1st models were based on motorola 6845 or clones and later they were using also other makers chips (intel for example).

btw never heard about Plantronics (dont do they headphones now?).

And any info is ofc welcome. There's not yet plenty of small companys. It take usually a lot of time to add them, since searching any info is hard.

I'm pretty sure matrox made their own chips... Matrox has been around since the s-100 days http://www.s100computers.com/Hardware%20Folde … T256/ALT256.htm

if you look, that board is dated 1977.

Nice link, thx.

But i dont see there any matrox chip - all photos on internet are too small to read chips markings, but still think that they used chips of other company to build that cards. And i dont want there cards - only chipsets, cause card charts will 10-20x bigger than now. (well theres some exceptions like a mda-cga cards from ibm)

for example one french guy have 1987 card PG1281 and its using texas instruments tiga chipset - http://musee.pieces.gfx.free.fr/thumbnails.php?album=7

and PG640A card from 1986 using hitachi chipset - http://musee.pieces.gfx.free.fr/thumbnails.php?album=6

So i still think that they didnt made own chipsets, only maybe some support chips. But info and photos of these cards are very rare. They might make some older chipset, but i don't know any and thats why i started this thread.
So show me old matrox chipsets - but i want a prove of existence 😉

luckybob wrote:

vlask wrote:

Well this is list of graphic chips makers, not graphic cards. And don't know any chip made by hercules. Well dunno about hercule […]
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VileRancour wrote:

Back on topic - I see no obvious early '80s stuff like Hercules or Plantronics? Could send them in if I find the time, though I guess the info should be readily available 😀

Well this is list of graphic chips makers, not graphic cards. And don't know any chip made by hercules. Well dunno about hercules color card (never seen any photo), but 1st models were based on motorola 6845 or clones and later they were using also other makers chips (intel for example).

btw never heard about Plantronics (dont do they headphones now?).

And any info is ofc welcome. There's not yet plenty of small companys. It take usually a lot of time to add them, since searching any info is hard.

I'm pretty sure matrox made their own chips... Matrox has been around since the s-100 days http://www.s100computers.com/Hardware%20Folde … T256/ALT256.htm

if you look, that board is dated 1977.

Try finding one of those now, though. If you think building a PC/XT/AT style computer is hard, then try building an S100 bus machine. It could take years before you round up all the parts you need and early PC parts will seem cheap in comparison.

Ok people i was hoping for more exact info and filling in missing cards in existing trees in chart. But you mostly suggesting new trees (some i never heard of).
So i edited 1st post in this thread and added list of suggested chip makers and known chipsets. Any more info is welcome. But i cannot promise fast integration - doin 1st cards from mine site collection, then will do these more unusual cards.

Just to let you know. Started work on new wallpaper (so far 380cm wide) with CPU. Noone seemed to be so crazy to do it. Looking for help. So if you want to help with your favourite CPU maker, pls visit CPU-World forums. http://www.cpu-world.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25419 . So far found volunteers for PowerPC and Alpha cpus. Soo many still waiting for you... 😉

Just to add some on the 3DLabs tree:

Wildcat REALiZM included multiple models; the 640MB card is the 800. There's also 100, 200, and 500. AFAIK:
100 and 500 are VPU alone (100 is AGP, 500 is PCIe)
200 is VPU+VSU (AGP)
800 is VPU+VPU+VSU (PCIe)

The P9/10 also produced a single consumer card, the Creative Graphics Blaster Picture Perfect 64MB (which afaik is/was the last Graphics Blaster product).

There was also an NEC card, TE-6 (iirc) that is based on the 800, and was sold in Japan (maybe only for NEC machines) - I'm not sure what "under the hood" differences exist beyond the branding (e.g. if it has different clocks, memory configuration, etc).

More minor note: GeForce FX 5800/5800 Ultra are 128MB, not 256MB.

obobskivich wrote:

More minor note: GeForce FX 5800/5800 Ultra are 128MB, not 256MB.

Hmm looks like its right. Someone then should edit wikipedia list of cards.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_ … 85xxx.29_Series

Updated Realizm cards too. In early versions i didnt writed there all cards, just chip name and max mem config. Thats why there are are only wildcat II, 4 and not every model from that line. Later i had to change it because of ati/nvidia so many different clocked cards on same chip and didnt do the same for 3dlabs.

obobskivich wrote:

There was also an NEC card, TE-6 (iirc) that is based on the 800, and was sold in Japan (maybe only for NEC machines) - I'm not sure what "under the hood" differences exist beyond the branding (e.g. if it has different clocks, memory configuration, etc).

Looks the same as 3Dlabs card, only with NEC logo instead of 3Dlabs... http://pckouza.fc2web.com/otousan/review/NEC_TE6.html

vlask wrote:

obobskivich wrote:

More minor note: GeForce FX 5800/5800 Ultra are 128MB, not 256MB.

Hmm looks like its right. Someone then should edit wikipedia list of cards.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_ … 85xxx.29_Series

I gave up on Wikipedia years ago for having accurate information about graphics cards - half of it is poorly stolen from TechPowerUp (which itself has plenty of errors) and the other half comes from god knows where. There's usually pretty big inconsistencies from Wikipedia page to Wikipedia page as well (e.g. the "List of nVidia GPUs" will say one thing, and the page for "GeForce" will say another, and so forth). I can tell you NV30 never shipped with 256MB - 128MB 128-bit on Quadro FX 1000, 2000, and FX 5800 and 5800 Ultra. DDR-II didn't have high enough densities to provide 256MB (it already uses 8 devices for 128MB). FX 5900 (NV35) is where 256MB was introduced for nVidia; ATi with R350 (9800).

Updated Realizm cards too. In early versions i didnt writed there all cards, just chip name and max mem config. Thats why there are are only wildcat II, 4 and not every model from that line. Later i had to change it because of ati/nvidia so many different clocked cards on same chip and didnt do the same for 3dlabs.

I have no idea what the actual "chip names" are for the REALiZM - the most I've ever seen them referenced as in 3DLabs documents are "REAliZM VPU" and "REAliZM VSU." AFAIK it's a single chip for each; the VPU being a 12 pipe GPU and estimated at something like 250-350MHz (per Anand and other reviews making guesses based on fill-rate and such - I've read speculation that the REALiZM 800 runs at lower clocks than the 100/200/500 due to heat as well, but none of the software I've ever tried to load on it will read clocks/etc as they don't recognize the card).

Looks the same as 3Dlabs card, only with NEC logo instead of 3Dlabs... http://pckouza.fc2web.com/otousan/review/NEC_TE6.html

That page is all I've ever seen about TE-6 as well, but I figured it was worth mentioning.

Basic intel CPU tree done, any corrections and info about missing CPU's are welcome.
It is located here: http://www.vgamuseum.info/index.php/cpu
Full image link is - http://vgamuseum.info/images/doc/cputree.png

Cool and interesting chart - thanks for the project vlask..

Keep in mind that I'm talking about CPU history tree now, not Graphics card history instead. 😉
It is located here: http://www.vgamuseum.info/index.php/cpu

Basic AMD tree done. Think im mising some modern Embeeded cpu's, but rest should be done (i hope).

Now i have to move to something older and easier (zilog?, nextgen?). Not sure yet...

Full image as always at http://vgamuseum.info/images/doc/cputree.png

vlask wrote:

Basic AMD tree done. Think im mising some modern Embeeded cpu's, but rest should be done (i hope).

Now i have to move to something older and easier (zilog?, nextgen?). Not sure yet...

Full image as always at http://vgamuseum.info/images/doc/cputree.png

Very cool. 😲 😀 One thing I also didn't see was the K7 Geodes - I think they're re-badged XP-M or Duron chips.

Hmm wiki says that this would be one of these missing modern embedded cpu's. Thx, will take a look at them.

Edit: Updated with Geode, Elan and 286ZX/LX. Only missing any closer info about Elan SC500 (not sure it was released).

That's pretty damn awesome!

I'm loving the tree but am a little confused why Pentium II Klamath isn't connected to Pentium Pro. 😖 unless this is a tree going by product lines and not CPU ancestry?

would be one hell of a tangle to get P3 to PM to CoreDuo with all those P4/Celeron variants down there