zyzzle wrote on 2021-08-14, 08:00:
bestemor wrote on 2021-08-10, 13:20:
Well, I still have some hopes for blu-ray discs, with the 'Panasonic' Japan-made ones being the only ones worth spending any mon […]
Well, I still have some hopes for blu-ray discs, with the 'Panasonic' Japan-made ones being the only ones worth spending any money on.
Sure, they cost up to 2x what the best Verbatims go for, depending on your location, but the error levels are/can be significantly lower (5x-10x !).
(I intend to use them as an extra archiving option)
Not sure about the M-discs though, how they fare in this comparison. (now THOSE are expensive, both the blu-rays and DVDs)
BD-Rs still being made in Japan? That's news to me. Please link to these Panasonic "made in Japan" BD-R discs, and where to buy. I've had fairly good success with Optical Quantum for BD-R, but I didn't know there were ANY BD-R manufacturers or fab plants in Japan. Especially since the closure of the TY Japan fabrication plant years ago.
I haven't trusted any blank media for years now -- since that TY plant closure, but if there are still some good BD-R media left, I'm all ears.
Well, not sure about 'still' being made, but.... they are still to be found for sale. And to my surprise some disc must have been made at least in 2018 or even later.
I bought 1 of mine here:
(it was the last one sold, got it for only $69 incl shipping!)
And here are some other ones which still has stock:
And this one looks rather special, with the '4K' in yellow text box there, not seen that before, so might be new.
(I sent a message asking about that, but never got any answer....)
You'll also find other listings in the 'sponsored' ones showing up under the picture.
And, you could might as well just order from the amazon sellers directly:
https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/Panasonic-LM-BR … n/dp/B01M9DDFK3
https://www.amazon.co.jp/s?k=brs25mp50&langua … &ref=nb_sb_noss
I was able to make an account there, using google translate directly on the pages. But I already have enough of these, and prices has risen since, so...
OR..... Or you can try your luck with ordering directly from the Panasonic store:
https://ec-plus.panasonic.jp/store/ap/storeae … HB=LM-BRS25M50S
I still think they are totally worth the extra cost. At least if you consider the implications of errors and wasted money on inferior products.
Yes, that includes the Verbatim -ime discs as well:
https://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-BD-R-Blu-ray- … a/dp/B00GSQ4DBM
(the 'MABL' logo on the spindle indicates the higest quality, ie. the 'Verbat-IMe' MID, as the second customer review on that pages writes about)
Now, for my own discs, here are the 2018 copyrighted results.
I first tried burning on my Pioneer S09XLT bluray burner, and results were somewhat dissappointing, compared to earlier discs:
As you can see, the copyright is 2018, lower right side text of the paper inlay's backside (not visible until opening the spindle).
First burn and scan:
I was normally getting 250-350000 LDC and around 3-4000 BIS errors.
Now, for the Liteon burn, which really shocked me:
Compared to Verbatim (VERBAT-IME mid), on a Pioneer 209EBK:
All disks burnt on 4x speed, tested/scanned in the exact same Liteon burner.