The GeForce 3 Ti has lower core/memory clock speeds compared to the vanilla GeForce 3, which results in a ~ 10 - 15% speed difference.
Definitely not something to write home about, but if you can get it for a very good price, the GeForce 3 is better (and it's more desirable/sought-after).

The difference on a P3 900 would be negligible since both cards would be bottlenecked, i would go for the Ti200, even on a fast P4 the difference wouldn't be that high, it's actually around 10% no more no less.

iraito wrote on 2023-06-21, 17:25:

The difference on a P3 900 would be negligible since both cards would be bottlenecked, i would go for the Ti200, even on a fast P4 the difference wouldn't be that high, it's actually around 10% no more no less.

This would be true for lower resolutions, however at 1280 x 1024 / 1600 x 1200 the GeForce 3 (Ti 200) is a good match for the P3 900 when it comes to period correct games.

bloodem wrote on 2023-06-21, 17:28:

iraito wrote on 2023-06-21, 17:25:

The difference on a P3 900 would be negligible since both cards would be bottlenecked, i would go for the Ti200, even on a fast P4 the difference wouldn't be that high, it's actually around 10% no more no less.

This would be true for lower resolutions, however at 1280 x 1024 / 1600 x 1200 the GeForce 3 (Ti 200) is a good match for the P3 900 when it comes to period correct games.

Uhm yeah in this case it would be useful, but both of them would behave really similarly with the CPU in question.

Original GeForce 3 is an underclocked GeForce 3 Ti 500 in all but name really. GeForce 3 Ti 200 is a different beast, because it's not only underclocked, but also undervolted GeForce 3 with usually simplified PCB and VRM, which might be useful - less heat and less power consumption, even when overclocked to match clock speed of GF3/GF3Ti500.

bloodem wrote on 2023-06-21, 17:25:

The GeForce 3 Ti has lower core/memory clock speeds compared to the vanilla GeForce 3, which results in a ~ 10 - 15% speed difference.
Definitely not something to write home about, but if you can get it for a very good price, the GeForce 3 is better (and it's more desirable/sought-after).

Thanks for the info. Yeah from a collectors point of view the Elsa Geforce would be the first choice because it es much rarer. The price is a bit higher than the ti 200 but if is a bit better i might consider getting it and not the ti 200.

The resolutions I want to play are not super high. only 800x600 and 1024x768. I think most of the old games I am into look the best with that resolutions.

@iraito and serpent rider Thx for your replies as well.

The Gladiac 920 has razor sharp output even at highest resolutions.

A001 wrote on 2023-06-21, 20:22:

The Gladiac 920 has razor sharp output even at highest resolutions.

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Thanks for the info. That's good to know that these cards have very good image.

Watch the fans with these. If the fan dies you have just seconds to shut down the computer before the GPU dies too.

My Gladiac 920 (2001-6) survived one fan failure, but not a second. I was too slow.

Errius wrote on 2023-06-22, 10:15:

Watch the fans with these. If the fan dies you have just seconds to shut down the computer before the GPU dies too.

My Gladiac 920 (2001-6) survived one fan failure, but not a second. I was too slow.

Thanks for the warning. It is good to know that there might be some issues with the fan and that card overheats fast if the fan dies.

I will not forget the warning in case I should go with the Elsa card.

So far the seller has not replied to my email if his offer is still active or not.

Id take them both .I have one from gainward and it performs very well here 3dmark01 score:

theiceman085 wrote on 2023-06-22, 11:00:

Thanks for the warning. It is good to know that there might be some issues with the fan and that card overheats fast if the fan dies.

I suggest to replace it to one of those Zalman flower cooler clones without waiting. Original coolers for GeForce 3 and 4 Ti series mostly were sub-optimal anyway, even in pristine condition.

The Serpent Rider wrote on 2023-06-23, 16:07:

theiceman085 wrote on 2023-06-22, 11:00:

Thanks for the warning. It is good to know that there might be some issues with the fan and that card overheats fast if the fan dies.

I suggest to replace it to one of those Zalman flower cooler clones without waiting. Original coolers for GeForce 3 series were sub-optimal anyway.

And i second this, i did just that with mine and the overclocking is ridiculous while still keeping really cool.

iraito wrote on 2023-06-23, 16:09:

The Serpent Rider wrote on 2023-06-23, 16:07:

theiceman085 wrote on 2023-06-22, 11:00:

Thanks for the warning. It is good to know that there might be some issues with the fan and that card overheats fast if the fan dies.

I suggest to replace it to one of those Zalman flower cooler clones without waiting. Original coolers for GeForce 3 series were sub-optimal anyway.

And i second this, i did just that with mine and the overclocking is ridiculous while still keeping really cool.

Thx for the info. I am going to that to be on the save side.

I got the the elsa card btw. Will get shipped to me tomorrow.