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Reply 20 of 28, by MrEWhite

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ZellSF wrote on 2020-02-18, 08:11:
MrEWhite wrote on 2020-02-15, 16:59:
leileilol wrote on 2020-02-15, 01:47:

xash3d's that illegal source port that unfortunately gets smartypantsed around as blind 'this update fixes hl' advice...

Yeah, I read about that and that's one of the reasons I'm not using it. It also doesn't support my version anyways.

That it's illegal? I think I've heard there's some other controversy surrounding Xash3D, but on a forum where a lot of players probably rely on no-cd cracks to make their games work still, being illegal by itself doesn't strike me as something negative.

It’s illegal due to it using Half-Life source code, which Valve strictly said you couldn’t use.

Reply 21 of 28, by UCyborg

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https://www.moddb.com/mods/half-life-subtitle … es-lack-of-time

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Reply 22 of 28, by UCyborg

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UCyborg wrote on 2020-02-18, 00:16:

Though changing the FPS limit can also prevent scientists/player from getting hurt, or simply standing at the different spot inside the elevator. While the NPC twitching a lot while the elevator is moving seems like a consistent occurrence, them being killed isn't, even with the same settings. It may differ across different computer configurations, I guess there are small timing differences or something like that. On my machine, I can't reproduce it when running Windows 10, but it happens when running Windows 7 or XP.

Never mind, actually, I can. 😜

Arthur Schopenhauer wrote:

A man can be himself only so long as he is alone; and if he does not love solitude, he will not love freedom; for it is only when he is alone that he is really free.

Reply 23 of 28, by Kerr Avon

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leileilol wrote on 2020-02-15, 01:47:

xash3d's that illegal source port that unfortunately gets smartypantsed around as blind 'this update fixes hl' advice...

How is it illegal? Is the source code stolen from Valve or something? It is disappointing if it is illegal, as I imagined it might lead to source ports for various non-PC platforms, as has happened with the fan-made ports of game engines like Doom, Quake, Duke Nukem 3D, Shadow Warrior 3D, Descent, etc.

Or do you mean unofficial, because (I assume) it's fan-made. I haven't followed Xash3D's progress, and know nothing about it's history or status, I only downloaded it after reading about it when (a year or two ago) I was trying to get the fan-made mod Half Life: Echoes to work and it just wouldn't run on the genuine Half-Life game engine. Xash3D allowed it to work perfectly, and incidentally the mod is amazing, I'd definitely recommend HL: Echoes to any Half-Life fan, it's brilliant. It's also made by just one person, obviously someone really talented.

Reply 24 of 28, by MrEWhite

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Kerr Avon wrote on 2020-02-18, 20:47:
leileilol wrote on 2020-02-15, 01:47:

xash3d's that illegal source port that unfortunately gets smartypantsed around as blind 'this update fixes hl' advice...

How is it illegal? Is the source code stolen from Valve or something? It is disappointing if it is illegal, as I imagined it might lead to source ports for various non-PC platforms, as has happened with the fan-made ports of game engines like Doom, Quake, Duke Nukem 3D, Shadow Warrior 3D, Descent, etc.

Or do you mean unofficial, because (I assume) it's fan-made. I haven't followed Xash3D's progress, and know nothing about it's history or status, I only downloaded it after reading about it when (a year or two ago) I was trying to get the fan-made mod Half Life: Echoes to work and it just wouldn't run on the genuine Half-Life game engine. Xash3D allowed it to work perfectly, and incidentally the mod is amazing, I'd definitely recommend HL: Echoes to any Half-Life fan, it's brilliant. It's also made by just one person, obviously someone really talented.

Yeah, pretty sure the source code is stolen.

Reply 25 of 28, by leileilol

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by also using leaked source, and claiming itself as from scratch GPL code, it's also a high risk of contagion. and yeah the HL SDK license is also super violated in the process

Such a shame the HL scene seems accepting of legally toxic stuff. This shit used to be called out in other places.

by the way, DOSBox is not for running Windows 9x

Reply 26 of 28, by Kerr Avon

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leileilol wrote on 2020-02-19, 01:00:

by also using leaked source, and claiming itself as from scratch GPL code, it's also a high risk of contagion. and yeah the HL SDK license is also super violated in the process

Such a shame the HL scene seems accepting of legally toxic stuff. This shit used to be called out in other places.

That is bad, I didn't know that. It's a pity as it would be great to see more open source code (I wish *every* game was open source, and if I was in government, then I'd see about offering tax incentives or whatever to companies to make them release a game's source code say ten years after the game is first sold) but something like HL's source code being stolen is less likely to make companies want to release the source to the public.

Reply 27 of 28, by UCyborg

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Regarding Steam version issues - is there a way to delete saved game from GUI? Also 3D sound support is missing. It can be added back with MetaHook plugin MetaAudio, which shouldn't be used online because MetaHook is a gateway to modify engine operation at runtime, which again, is against rules.

If this thread is anything to go by, there's supposedly much more players using the means to play the game without Steam, I guess using the regular Steam version with Steam emulators, at least most of those interested in playing online I guess.

Then I read about the WON2 network, which is the unofficial replacement for the old WON network, which was a thing before Steam for online play. So that's another route for those who want to avoid Steam at all costs.

If cheating and piracy is such a widespread issue, then Xash3D being casually accepted doesn't come of as too surprising.

Arthur Schopenhauer wrote:

A man can be himself only so long as he is alone; and if he does not love solitude, he will not love freedom; for it is only when he is alone that he is really free.

Reply 28 of 28, by MrEWhite

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UCyborg wrote on 2020-02-19, 23:15:
Regarding Steam version issues - is there a way to delete saved game from GUI? Also 3D sound support is missing. It can be added […]
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Regarding Steam version issues - is there a way to delete saved game from GUI? Also 3D sound support is missing. It can be added back with MetaHook plugin MetaAudio, which shouldn't be used online because MetaHook is a gateway to modify engine operation at runtime, which again, is against rules.

If this thread is anything to go by, there's supposedly much more players using the means to play the game without Steam, I guess using the regular Steam version with Steam emulators, at least most of those interested in playing online I guess.

Then I read about the WON2 network, which is the unofficial replacement for the old WON network, which was a thing before Steam for online play. So that's another route for those who want to avoid Steam at all costs.

If cheating and piracy is such a widespread issue, then Xash3D being casually accepted doesn't come of as too surprising.

I think MetaAudio is okay as it only modifies the game and doesn't distribute stuff containing the source code like Xash3D does.