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First post, by atom1kk

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Hi

I have FX 5600 card on a AGP 4x board. Is it a big slowdown in performance?

I get in 3dmark 2001 SE with a P4 2.0 around 6500 points is it ok?

THX

Reply 1 of 42, by RandomStranger

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For an FX5600 it's probably alright. I wouldn't expect it to be a noticeable bottleneck based on the performance of the card.

For the 3DMark2001SE score, what settings?
For me: default settings, Win XP, Northwood-1.60A, 512MB RAM
Inno3D Ti200 - 6218
MSI Ti4200 - 8120

Your score definitely looks low.

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Reply 2 of 42, by atom1kk

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i have the demo version, so there are the standard settings on 3Dmark.
I tested it once last week and had 7000 points. than i had some driver issues (long story, had to switch card and reinstall the drivers) after that it dropped to 6500. Im doing a test again and see if there is a change.

Did a test agian, now its 7100 points.
As I remember in the 6500 points run i had some artifacts in the car chase run which dropped the FPS.

I have also a GF3 ti 200 and reached 6000 points

I have the feeling, that after i have installed DX9 i have more often some issues and instabilities in my system, especially if I choose the DVI Output. vga runs way better

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Reply 3 of 42, by appiah4

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Short answer: No.
Long answer: For native 8x AGP cards including 9800/X800 I've never seen more than 5% difference on a 4x AGP bus. As for PCIe to AGP bridge cards like the X1950PRO, HD3850 etc. the abysmal CPU on a 4x AGP motherboard will probably be a more concerning bottleneck than 4x AGP bandwidth for any card where this stuff would have mattered.

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Reply 5 of 42, by RandomStranger

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This huge spread in results is not normal. Naturally the artifacting either. Don't you have some kind of overheating problem? How are the caps? I'd expect an FX5600 consistently around 9000.

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Reply 6 of 42, by atom1kk

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It was some kind of driver issue. I just did a fresh win 98 install. did 5 times in a row the full test and get always 7300. this is good now. a the moment there is only the mainboard driver, the GPU driver and DX 8.1 installed.

Now i need to find where the problem was. It must be either something in a combination with Sound Blaster live ,GPU and DX9. This is the configuration i had before

Problem found. its the sound card.... as soon as I install the sound blaster card the old problems come up.

Reply 7 of 42, by bloodem

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What are your system specs (especially the motherboard)?
Did you try the sound card in a different PCI slot?
Do you use any other cards/peripherals?

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5 x Skt 370 / 8 x Skt A / 2 x Skt 478 / 2 x Skt 754 / 3 x Skt 939 / 7 x LGA775 / 1 x LGA1155
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Reply 9 of 42, by bloodem

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Very interesting, I would not have expected this behavior from a motherboard based on the Intel 845 chipset (which is usually rock solid in Win98).
Then again, it might be something related to your motherboard's BIOS, so I would try:
- a BIOS update (if you're on the latest BIOS version, a BIOS downgrade might also be worth a shot)
- trying the sound card in a different slot
- disabling any unused resources in the BIOS setup (serial ports, parallel port, etc).

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1 x PLCC-68 / 2 x PGA132 / 5 x Skt 3 / 9 x Skt 7 / 12 x SS7 / 1 x Skt 8 / 14 x Slot 1 / 5 x Slot A
5 x Skt 370 / 8 x Skt A / 2 x Skt 478 / 2 x Skt 754 / 3 x Skt 939 / 7 x LGA775 / 1 x LGA1155
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Reply 12 of 42, by Horun

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atom1kk wrote on 2022-02-16, 20:26:

Finally found a solution, not the issue but hey.
I have done one thing which i should have done first or what always shall be done, maybe you want to guess 😀

Reset the BIOS to Default settings ? Install all the proper chipset drivers ? Update the video driver ? 🤣 there are many firsts or "lets go down the list" of things 😀

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Reply 13 of 42, by atom1kk

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Okok...you had it with your first thought;). i have loaded the bios in default and it worked. So after i have did the same settings like before but it still worked. So i must have touched something without recognizing it.

Reply 15 of 42, by RandomStranger

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atom1kk wrote on 2022-02-19, 10:32:

I saw now in the benchmarks in Internet the fx 5600 should get around 10000 points on 1024 with no aa. I mean this is way mote that i have. What could be the problem

You use it with a 2GHz Pentium4, reviewers used to test it with ~3GHz Pentium4. That could be part of it. Also, check the specs of the cards in the tests. Yours might run at lower clocks.
As I said earlier, my Ti4200 does over 8000 points with a 1.6GHz Pentium4 and I'd expect your FX to go above 9000 with your CPU.

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Reply 16 of 42, by atom1kk

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I found two test which where made on a p4 2,5 ghz. Both had around 10000. I just cant imagine that this 500mhz give you around 30 percent more performance. I have the 256 mb version. Which tool can i use to read out the gpu speeds in win98.

Did a test with a fx5200 normal and get around 4000 points. The benchmarks i have found are showing aroun 7. I think this is also too slow... so must be something with my system. Any idea? My drivers are 56.64

Did now also a test with my third card the gf3 ti 200 and got around 6000 points. Online i see also the same results. So this brings me to my point from the beginning with agp 4x vs 8 x.

The gf3 card is a agp 4 and fx agp 8x maybe this is the problem with that?

Reply 17 of 42, by atom1kk

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There must be something wrong. I wanted to test it with AA at 4x and it 3dmark gives me an error, that he cannot initialize 3d accelerator and the error is D3DERR_OUTOFVIDEOMEMORY, without AA it works fine.

I have installed rivatuner , did a run and saw on monitorying that my core clock is running max only 300 mhz (270 idle) and my memory only 400( shouldnt it have 350 and 500?). maybe here is something wrong? maybe my psu is a bit weak? i have only 300w.

EDIT: didnt find any solution, got a good offer on ebay, an ASUS P4S8X-X board (with original box, agp 8x) with a 2,4 CPU, 1,7 gb ram, a FX5200 card, usb 2.0 pci card. All together for 22 euro incl shipping. well see if this change brings something. atleast i have more hardware to test with.