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Reply 20 of 42, by general_vagueness

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I didn't mention (didn't realize until relatively recently) that I was using the Doomsday engine with the Snowberry front-end; like I said, I ran the engine with "-nomusic" and there was no music, the corresponding option in Snowberry does nothing, and the in-game music volume slider does nothing.
I'm about to try that suggestion about mouse & keys.

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Reply 21 of 42, by njaydg

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Doomsday comes with Snowberry, so you're good to go...

There's 2 ways of changing/disabling the music volume via menus:

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Reply 22 of 42, by general_vagueness

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That's what I'm talking about, neither of those sliders works at all. 😠

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Reply 23 of 42, by njaydg

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That's odd... It works fine for me! Have you tried both of them? I specifically remember reducing the music volume in the actual ingame options (the screenie with the funny curtain effect) and it was effective immediately... Maybe it's something with the sound output configuration or soundcard driver issue. Try messing with control panel options (the other screenshot) and see if your settings are in anyway similar.

This may well very depending on the driver/soundcard used, so try different settings.

Note: the actual ingame music is only heard after I start a game in any episode.

Reply 24 of 42, by general_vagueness

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The slider for sound effects and both sliders for volume (overall) work fine but neither music slider does anything at all. I tried the no music checkbox again and it worked (I think last time there was an error or I wasn't paying attention); it has three-way checkboxes which I don't like: checked, unchecked, and default. If anyone is sure this would disappear (the sound issue) if I used DOS versions and DOSBox, please say so.
I tried that setup (as suggested by njaydg) and it does indeed feel like a different game; in fact it feels more like Halo, which is a pretty good thing in this case. Did you mean the left and right mouse buttons and not the keys? I'm going to try that either way.
If anyone knows a good site for connecting controllers to computers, plz... 😀

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Reply 25 of 42, by doomer

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You can try the Zdoom port, it shouldn't have any sound issues. Playing doom dos versions in dosbox works fine too.
You should also try playing doom without free look and use the mouse just for aiming left and right if you want to feel more old school. 😀

Reply 26 of 42, by njaydg

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Did you mean the left and right mouse buttons and not the keys? I'm going to try that either way.

Use the keys for movement and the mouse for aim/shoot/use and jump. For me, it's really fun playing a classic game in a way I never thought possible! 😎

Regarding the sound issue, all I can tell you is try updating soundcard drivers (mine is Audigy 2), play with DirectX sound acceleration, reinstall Doomsday and try adjusting sound settings...

Here's what I have:
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As doomer points out (and rightfully so), the philosophy one must follow is "use whatever works best for you", be it DOSBox, real DOS or any of the mentioned ports. 😉

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Reply 27 of 42, by general_vagueness

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I just fully noticed this thing about sound channels. I'd like to know if that could affect it and just what is/does.
thnx

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Reply 28 of 42, by njaydg

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AFAIK (and I'm not an expert in this subject) each audio channel can only play one sound at a time. If you try to play a second sound in a channel before the previous sound stops, the previous sound is interrupted.

In this case, you have the option to select up to 32 sound channels, and it allows you to play/hear up to 32 sound simultaneously. The total number of sounds which can be played at the same time depends (mostly?) on the sound card.

The more sound channels you select, the more impact it will have on performance. However, if you have a nice soundcard (Audigy or better), this should be no problem, as the hardware sound acceleration should tale care of it without any noticeable framerate drops.

So basically, you should choose 32 sound channels for a "richer" audio experience. You should only reduce it if you're having performance drops or noticeable audio issues.

Reply 29 of 42, by general_vagueness

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Two more things: I finally got a USB flash drive 😁 and I'm putting all my games on it: where's the save file? (Doom, Ultimate Doom, Doomsday, snowberry)

and I'd like to know about booting to DOS from a flash drive (I've been meaning to try it but I keep forgetting)

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Reply 31 of 42, by general_vagueness

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Thanks; I'm going to just try to boot from it the way it is before I try all that (I have Win95's DOS on it and it's FAT formatted).

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Reply 32 of 42, by general_vagueness

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I set it to boot from the flash drive and it said "Disk Error", which brings back less than fond memories of many floppies. I really don't want to put a whole CD on it, and I'd like to stick with Win95 DOS.

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Reply 33 of 42, by eL_PuSHeR

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Just put the boot record and ms-dos files (<1,5MB) in it to do some tests. Keep in mind that you need bios support to be able to boot from usb. Not all bioses allow this.

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Reply 34 of 42, by general_vagueness

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The first boot device was already set to "Removable", so I don't know if that works; I set the "Hard Drive Boot Priority" to the flash drive first and then the HDD and it tried to start from it but said "Disk Error" and all of the files (IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS, COMMAND.COM) are on it.

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Reply 35 of 42, by eL_PuSHeR

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I don't know because my bios doesn't offer that option. I have never booted from usb flash drive. Try looking in your mainboard's manufacturer site for faqs or something.

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Reply 36 of 42, by general_vagueness

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I just realized this is getting off topic. Maybe you should split it off, although I'm still waiting for the name of the save file(s) (I knew it [or them] once, but that was a few years ago). Now I just thought again about what you said about the boot record; do you know a good program for extracting boot sectors or where I can find boot sector images?

I just actually looked into the referenced program (the link was a tiny floppy icon) and it looks promising. I'm formatting (DOS boot formatting) it right now. It seems strange that it's taking so long (especially since it's USB 2.0 and my computer is new), but beggers and choosers. 😀

OK, it's formatted and I'm about to try booting from it. :hopeful: 😉

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Reply 37 of 42, by general_vagueness

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I've successfully booted to Win95 DOS from a USB stick! 😁 😎 If anyone has suggestions for dual-booting (I've been researching NTLDR and I think I'm going to use it) or more than 2 OS's, please.
I'm still waiting for the name of the file(s) Doom saves are in.

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Reply 38 of 42, by general_vagueness

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I've found the save files (DoomSavN.dsg) and I got Doom running from the flash drive and it turns out I can just set the mouse wheel like keys or the mouse buttons and it was all working fine, but for some reason all of a sudden my saved game dissappeared. I restored it from the HDD and now when I try to load it something weird happens: the last screen contents start to fade and the shimmer effect starts and then the screen just freezes. I can still access the menus and get out and it doesn't happen when I start a new game. I'm going to try checking it (ScanDisk or whatever they call it now).
forgot to metion this is only with the flash drive
also forgot to mention that even though I played with the all the pertinent mouse sensitivity settings, it's slow, the wheel is like crawling, but that's not my main concern

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I could tweak Doomsday to hell and back

Was that on purpose? 😀

I just checked the console and it says it's not from gamemode 1. 😕

please help 🙁

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Reply 39 of 42, by njaydg

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Sorry for the big delay, very busy, between jobs, etc, etc...

general_vagueness wrote:

forgot to metion this is only with the flash drive

I usually don't play games on USB flash/pen drives. If I were you, I'd check that flash drive's integrity via some software available, or try with another pen. I do use DOSBox in my pen sometimes, when testing in a friend's PC, for instance. 😀

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njaydg wrote:

I could tweak Doomsday to hell and back

Was that on purpose? 😀

I did it without noticing 😁 , but it is indeed a lucky coincidence! 🤣

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I just checked the console and it says it's not from gamemode 1. 😕

please help 🙁

First of all, remember Doomsday is beta, and we all know what that means. Don't be surprised if something goes wrong at any given time without an apparently logic reason.

Still, if something isn't working, try reverting some change you made or reinstalling and start from scratch. That should help you overcome the problem...

You could also post a screenshot, but I'm not sure anyone here can help you. Maybe try posting it at the Doomsday forums?

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