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First post, by airbone-x

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4DPS v3.1 Mainboard - I have replaced battery (CR2032) when I got that machine since it had CMOS Checksum and battery error... Ok. Put it aside and then powered on again after 3-4 months.... again the same error with checksum and cmos battery... - replaced by new battery, and put the computer aside... powered up again after two weeks and the same thing.... Measured battery cell and it was completely depleted, read just few minivolts.... So I replaced now again and all is ok, but it seems soon it will not be... Any idea what can cause extremelly quick bios battery discharge? All related jumpers set correctly (CMOS memory normal operation and type of bios chip)

Reply 1 of 3, by kingcake

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Excessive battery draw is a common symptom of a failing chipset IC, when the RTC/CMOS is integrated in the chipset. Although it's possible a cap/diode in the vbatt circuit has excessive leakage. But in my experience it's almost always the chipset.

You need to measure the current draw on the battery. It should be <1 uA. (Check datasheet for actual figure)

You can take the clear cmos jumper off and place your voltmeter between the two pins used for normal operation. Or can put one lead on the battery top, and one lead on the side spring contact, and push the contact away with your probe, which will redirect the current through your meter.

Do this with the board powered down.

You need a meter that can measure micro amps. nano amps would be even better. Although, if it's going dead that quick, you might see low mA.

The bios e/eprom isn't battery backed. It's the RTC/CMOS integrated in the SIS chipset on your board.

Reply 2 of 3, by airbone-x

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kingcake wrote on 2024-03-02, 01:32:
Excessive battery draw is a common symptom of a failing chipset IC, when the RTC/CMOS is integrated in the chipset. Although it' […]
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Excessive battery draw is a common symptom of a failing chipset IC, when the RTC/CMOS is integrated in the chipset. Although it's possible a cap/diode in the vbatt circuit has excessive leakage. But in my experience it's almost always the chipset.

You need to measure the current draw on the battery. It should be <1 uA. (Check datasheet for actual figure)

You can take the clear cmos jumper off and place your voltmeter between the two pins used for normal operation. Or can put one lead on the battery top, and one lead on the side spring contact, and push the contact away with your probe, which will redirect the current through your meter.

Do this with the board powered down.

You need a meter that can measure micro amps. nano amps would be even better. Although, if it's going dead that quick, you might see low mA.

The bios e/eprom isn't battery backed. It's the RTC/CMOS integrated in the SIS chipset on your board.

Damn, these are not good news... How did you solve that problem or did u scrap the board? Or is there chance to replace it, although I think it will not be easy to source it. There are two SIS chips - 85C496 and 85c497...
Other thing I forgot to mention, I have currently 1.71 bios version installed and it somehow messes up tha date... If I set year 2024, everytime I return back to BIOS settings, it says 1996 (but it keeps date and time correctly). In dos or if I create new folder, year it reads is 2096..... Maybe some relation to the first problem? Currently no checksum/battery error message as I have replaced it only yesterday.

Reply 3 of 3, by Horun

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sounds like a Y2K bug. most 486 bios have em...

Hate posting a reply and then have to edit it because it made no sense 😁 First computer was an IBM 3270 workstation with CGA monitor. Stuff: https://archive.org/details/@horun