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First post, by RagingSquirrel

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Hi

I am currently building a 486 config for myself.. so far i have a AMD 486 dx4 100 Enhanced cpu, with a KM-S4-1 motherboard With 16MB ram , and a s3 virge vga.. I am planning to get a sb 16 .. Because that's what i use to have.. I just recently realized how many different model there is.. and its quite hard for me to find the right one... So far i am sure i don't want a Vibra.. i heard they pretty much useless in dos gaming.. I recently saw a SB 16 CT 1790 with an opl3 chip.. I heard the one with this chip is way better then the regular ones.. I could buy this model for in around 51 Euro.. Does it worth the price? Is it a good card for dos and early Win 95 games? I tried to google it, i found out that its pretty much called SB16 sony, and it is an early.. none a pnp card? But i don't exactly know what does that mean? Its not plug and play so i have to edit autoexec bat and config sys to make the driver loaded? Do i have to do that in Win 95 as well?

Reply 1 of 6, by dionb

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For SB16 cards, this is the place to look:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1o0_u- … #gid=1663779470

So CT1790 has a real OPL3 and a wavetable header, it might have hanging not bugs or not, depending on the DSP version (4.04 and 4.05 good, later bad), as with all other SB16s, it suffers from slowdowns in MIDI playback when playing high-quality digital sound at the same time, it has no Vibra ringing/hissing, but it does have single-cycle DMA clicking. Finally it may or may not be noisy, depending on the CT1703 version (-TBS or -A is good, -T is noisy).

It's non-PnP, so you configure it using jumpers - set the resources using jumpers, then tell your software to look at those resources, either with the SET BLASTER= variable or when installing the game. In Windows you may have to install manually and tell Windows which resources to use too.

Now, all SB16 cards are buggy in some way or other (see link). How bad that is depends on what you want to do with the card (are you going to experience the bugs) and how sensitive you are to the bugs (subjective).

Most of the bugginess of this one is related to MIDI functionallity - possible hanging notes and slowdowns in music (in games like Tie Fighter and Duke Nukem3D) - and you are only going to experience that if you also have a MIDI device hooked up. If you don't, you can ignore those bugs. Only thing you have left is the SC DMA click and possibly a noisy DAC. Personally I don't hear the DMA clicks, so if the CT1703 isn't a noisy version I'd be fine with this card if I didn't use MIDI.

However I *do* use MIDI a lot and the hanging notes and slowdowns drive me up the wall, so for me this card would be terrible.

As for alternatives, again can be pretty subjective. In Windows, SB16 support is less important than WSS support, so a lot of the cheap simple cards with WSS support for Windows and OPL3 and SBPro2 are fine (Aztech 2316/2320, OPTi 929, 930 etc). If you really want SB16 for late DOS, there are C-Media CMI8330 and Avance Logic ALS100 chipsets that offer full SB16 support with no MIDI bugs (as well as WSS support). Only problemis that the cards are generally cheaply made so could be noisy - except the MK8330 (see its topic on this forum) which is probably the best single-card solution, but costs more than EUR 50.

Personally I'd not pay EUR 50 for this card, but whether it's a good or a bad choice for you depends on what else is available to you (and at what price), and whether you intend to use MIDI, and on whether you want to play games where SB16 adds value.

Reply 2 of 6, by Horun

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It is a fairly good card and being jumper set is easy to use in anything from 286 up w/o software. The price is also not bad have seen them at $75 USD many times.

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Reply 3 of 6, by RagingSquirrel

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Thank You for all the answers.. i have an other card that i could buy a bit cheaper.. around 38 euro .. its a Soundblaster 16 - CT2950 .. As far i understand its a newer modell, but it does not have the opl 3 chip.. Would this be a better choice?

Reply 4 of 6, by dionb

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Again, see that spreadsheet:
- may or may not have real OPL3 (could be CQM in CT1978, could be OPL3)
- both hanging note bugs
- MPU slowdowns
- SC DMA clicks
- may or may not have noisy DAC

No better than the CT1790 you mentioned before, possibly quite a bit worse. In fact, I swapped one of these (with OPL3 and non-noisy DAC) away last week for a Logitech Soundman Wave (which also has bad hanging note issues, has poor Sound Blaster compatibility, but a nice-ish OPL4 Wavetable onboard) - so a flawed card, but I already have very good ones but I did not have one that supports OPL4 in DOS, so this deal made me happy and the other person too.

However as before: what is the best card for you depends on what you are going to run with it. That CT1790 would be pretty good if you don't use MIDI/wavetable modules and its DAC is quiet.

Reply 5 of 6, by RagingSquirrel

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dionb wrote on 2024-03-03, 18:55:
Again, see that spreadsheet: - may or may not have real OPL3 (could be CQM in CT1978, could be OPL3) - both hanging note bugs - […]
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Again, see that spreadsheet:
- may or may not have real OPL3 (could be CQM in CT1978, could be OPL3)
- both hanging note bugs
- MPU slowdowns
- SC DMA clicks
- may or may not have noisy DAC

No better than the CT1790 you mentioned before, possibly quite a bit worse. In fact, I swapped one of these (with OPL3 and non-noisy DAC) away last week for a Logitech Soundman Wave (which also has bad hanging note issues, has poor Sound Blaster compatibility, but a nice-ish OPL4 Wavetable onboard) - so a flawed card, but I already have very good ones but I did not have one that supports OPL4 in DOS, so this deal made me happy and the other person too.

However as before: what is the best card for you depends on what you are going to run with it. That CT1790 would be pretty good if you don't use MIDI/wavetable modules and its DAC is quiet.

Thank You for your reply
I only would use it for dos or win 95 gaming.. i dont have any midi device .. and i dont make music or such.. so i should go for the ct1790 than ..

Reply 6 of 6, by dionb

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RagingSquirrel wrote on 2024-03-04, 10:15:

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Thank You for your reply
I only would use it for dos or win 95 gaming.. i dont have any midi device .. and i dont make music or such.. so i should go for the ct1790 than ..

In that case, assuming:
- the CT1790 has a quiet DAC (you haven't clarified that point)
- you can only choose between these two SB16 cards
- the DOS games you play support SB16 and offer added value (uncommon) over SBPro2 (that just about every card out there supports)
- the Windows games you play don't sound 'off' with SB16 44kHz vs WSS 48kHz
Then this would be the better of the two.