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Electrical interference

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First post, by Gravedigger

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Hello, I'm facing a problem and I'm having trouble finding the solution.

I have electrical interference visible in the image on my screen. I have an X68000 connected to VGA via an ossc. After several searches for the source of the problem, I finally figured out where the problem was coming from: my midi modules!

I have a Yamaha mu2000ex, a sc-88pro and a roland cm-64.

The cm-64 receives the midi message from x68000 and transmits it via the passtrough port to the sc-88, and the latter to the mu2000ex.

All 3 of them are connected to a passive mixer and the audio out of my x68000.

If I disconnect the link between the passive mixer and the x68000, some of the noise disappears. Same if I disconnect the link between the passive mixer and my midi modules.

The other part of the parasites is due to the midi cable.

So, if I disconnect the midi cable AND the audio from the passive mixer. My image is perfect.

I would like to point out that the problem is strongly visible at 31hz and much less at 15hz.

I've already tried putting ferrite rings on all my cables, with no effect...

Do you have any ideas?

Reply 2 of 8, by Jo22

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Hi, I also think that ferrites are a good idea.

If it doesn't help, some ideas:
a) try turning the AC plugs, maybe "hot ground" is an issue

b) try to use galvanic insulation.
A pair of opto-couplers or a pair of AF transformers can help to electrically insulate audio connections.
In its simplest form, a pair of capacitors can be installed in the audio line (for audio, a few µF are enough).
Maybe there are commercial solutions.

c) this isn't for beginners, but there are separation transformers for AC devices.
Just remember that things like fuses and RCDs don't work anymore if something goes wrong on the other side of the transformer.

Anyway, these are just some ideas that come to mind.

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Reply 3 of 8, by Gravedigger

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Thanks for trying to help me. I have already put several feritte rings on and I will receive another 20 just now. No matter how much I put it everywhere (VGA cable, midi, audio), I don't see any effects! I'm going to add more but I doubt :s

I also put the power supplies of my midi modules on other sockets, no change.

I have learned a little about octocouplers, but I admit that we are entering an area that I am completely unfamiliar with 🙁

Reply 4 of 8, by wierd_w

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Is the outlet ground properly earthed?

Reply 6 of 8, by wierd_w

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Have you checked if the data cable's ground/shield is properly connected to the earth ground?

Sometimes vintage computing devices dont properly connect the ground, leading to 'floating' grounds, and unreliable ground states.

(The tape cable on old TI99/4A systems have this problem, and expect the tape deck to connect/combine grounds. This leads to ground-hum, and failure to decode fsk data from the tape. I've had to cobble together kludges to make this work properly from this incorrect ground loop design.)

Reply 7 of 8, by konc

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I'd use, briefly and temporarily of course just for the test, an adapter that lifts the ground (that converts for example 3 pins->2) on the power supplies one by one in order to maybe identify a specific device.

Reply 8 of 8, by Gravedigger

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Thanks a lot for your help.

I think I have identified the two (and yes) guilty.

I currently power my Yamaha mod and my Roland CM64 with 2 universal adapters (https://www.amazon.com.be/dp/B08R6VSK3F?psc=1 … customerReviews)

I have the impression that they are the problem... I don't know how to solve the problem.