VOGONS


First post, by AndrewZX

User metadata
Rank Newbie
Rank
Newbie

I am resurrecting a Laser 386SX/16 for some file transfer work. I need to copy from 3.5" floppies to 5.25" floppies but
the 5.25" drive is not cooperating.

Symptoms:
when I dir or try to copy to B: the access LED goes on, the drive whirs, I get the Not ready reading drive B.

This is after replacing the real time clock chip so the BIOS could be saved.
This is after replacing the old Chinon FZ-506 drive dated 8/91 with a previously
unused Toshiba 5451.

I did try booting with F5 without loading other drivers.

When I first opened the case the 5.25" drive was unplugged. This made me wonder if there
was a previous issue. So I replaced the drive.

Accessing the 3.5" floppy works ok so the cable should be good.

PC boots off of a Seagate HDD.

Any tips would be appreciated!

Reply 1 of 12, by EduBat

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

I don't know what the problem may be but, may I suggest that you attach a picture showing how it's all connected?

Reply 2 of 12, by kotel

User metadata
Rank Oldbie
Rank
Oldbie

Did you set correct 5.25" drive specs in BIOS? I had a similar problems in XP with 5.25" that was giving me errors. Found out that I set drive specs wrong.

"Sent on a mission, to protect the last treasures. Through struggle and strife we can see the light. Even if our mission is partially complete, Our efforts are not in vain.
Let that be our legacy."
-Stronghold 5-5

Reply 3 of 12, by AndrewZX

User metadata
Rank Newbie
Rank
Newbie

It's just a standard 4-pin power connector and FDD ribbon connector. The 5.25" drive is daisy chained to the 3.5" drive.

Reply 4 of 12, by wbahnassi

User metadata
Rank Oldbie
Rank
Oldbie

Try connecting the drive jist by itself before or after the cable twist. See if any of those works. Also yes, ensure in the BIOS or the motherboard's DIP switches that your drive setup is properly declared.

Turbo XT 12MHz, 8-bit VGA, Dual 360K drives
Intel 386 DX-33, Speedstar 24X, SB 1.5, 1x CD
Intel 486 DX2-66, CL5428 VLB, SBPro 2, 2x CD
Intel Pentium 90, Matrox Millenium 2, SB16, 4x CD
HP Z400, Xeon 3.46GHz, YMF-744, Voodoo3, RTX2080Ti

Reply 5 of 12, by wierd_w

User metadata
Rank Oldbie
Rank
Oldbie

Only additional I can really offer without asking questions that will likely only cause confusion--

Make sure that drive A comes after the twist, and that drive B comes before the twist.

If things are still acting wonky after verifying that, THEN we can start asking the really confusing questions.

Reply 6 of 12, by AndrewZX

User metadata
Rank Newbie
Rank
Newbie

I disconnected the 3.5" drive from the ribbon cable, rebooted, and set the 5.25" drive from 360 KB to 1.2 MB in BIOS.

Still no success. The LED lights, the drive whirls for a good 10 seconds, then Not ready reading drive B:

Reply 7 of 12, by AndrewZX

User metadata
Rank Newbie
Rank
Newbie

An observation - BIOS keeps resetting the 5.25" drive to 360 KB despite my setting it to 1.2MB. Which is fine, that's
how I need to use it. But it seems odd it won't set to 1.2 MB.

Reply 8 of 12, by wierd_w

User metadata
Rank Oldbie
Rank
Oldbie

OK, confusing questions time.

On the 5.25" drive, are there any small jumpers like these ones?

byte13_142_sm.jpg

Some 5.25" drives are "Fully Shugart compatible", meaning they can be configured with a cabling ID for an untwisted cable, with support for up to 4 drives. They can work in a variety of other computing platforms, like TI systems, or Amiga systems, for example.

The IBM PC has a kind of clever hack going on with the twist in the ribbon cable. It essentially swaps some IDs and motor select lines around, so that users dont have to fiddle with jumpers (and in later eras, such jumpers vanished altogether)

If however, your drive is configured to be "Drive 3" or "Drive 4", then strange things will happen with the cable twist.

Reply 9 of 12, by Horun

User metadata
Rank l33t++
Rank
l33t++

The Toshiba 5451 is a 360k drive, not a 1.2Mb. The jumpers are in one of the set of docs I upped to Vogons Library:
http://www.vogonsdrivers.com/getfile.php?file … &menustate=29,0
to make it easy here is the basics. The picture show typical PC usage. If the drive is connected before the twist and a 3.5 is at end of cable. pull the Term jumper off, only the end cable drive should be terminated.....

Hate posting a reply and then have to edit it because it made no sense 😁 First computer was an IBM 3270 workstation with CGA monitor. Stuff: https://archive.org/details/@horun

Reply 10 of 12, by AndrewZX

User metadata
Rank Newbie
Rank
Newbie

Thanks, that is good info. It does not look like TM is set on the Toshiba drive:
[unset]
[unset]
[set]
[set]
[unset]
[unset]
[unset]
[set]
[unset]

Reply 11 of 12, by kingcake

User metadata
Rank Oldbie
Rank
Oldbie

If the 3.5" drive works I would suspect the drives. Start with the basics, did you clean the heads? Does the 5.25" drive work in another PC? Wouldn't be unusual to find a bad one -- 360K drives are getting pretty old.

Reply 12 of 12, by AndrewZX

User metadata
Rank Newbie
Rank
Newbie

Good questions. At present I don't have any other system to test the drives on. And the PSU on my 386 has gone south. There will be a slight pause while I track down another PSU with the the appropriate 386 mobo connector.