First post, by KLund1
Before IDE formally arrived to optical drives, they were paired with a sound card or interface card.
For Creative Sound Blaster:
Is there a list somewhere of what CD-Rom drive models were bundled with which cards?
Thanks
Before IDE formally arrived to optical drives, they were paired with a sound card or interface card.
For Creative Sound Blaster:
Is there a list somewhere of what CD-Rom drive models were bundled with which cards?
Thanks
Hmm I do not think there is a definitive list. The older (and newer) SB cards were sold as stand alone as well as in some multimedia bundles. There are some Creative adapter cards (not sound card) that were also bundled with a cdrom.
I know the CR-562 (Panasonic interface) was one, most that were 4x or higher were IDE....
Maybe someone can create a list ?
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Don't forget SCSI. SCSI was the gold standard for CD-ROM drives before ATAPI came around. Most of the proprietary interface drives were just sold as a way to cut costs to speed up the adoption of CD-ROM drives for the consumer.
Anyone aware of a proprietary interface drive faster than 2X? I've never seen one.
It seems like there were a billion different kits offered in the early 90s, but by far the most common one was the Matsushita/Panasonic CR-563B paired with either an SB Pro 2 or an SB16 CT2230. There was another Kit with the same CT2230 but with the Sony interface CDU-33A. Both of those kits were 2X, but they sold 1X versions as well. I see quite a lot of soundcards with the Mitsumi interface, but those must have been less popular because I rarely saw them. Same with the LMSI drives. Wasn't the first CD-ROM drive using LMSI? I think there was a Wearnes interface drive too, but I also never saw those in the field. There are probably a few others.
I recall seeing quite a few Creative kits sold with SCSI drives. These almost exclusively used the CT1770, though supposedly an SB Pro2 also had a SCSI version. I saw kits with 1X, 2X and 3X drives, and many of them were from NEC and Toshiba, but I think there was a Panasonic version among others.
I once tried to document all the creative kits, but there are so many of them and the information seems not easy to find.
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Anonymous Coward wrote on 2024-06-03, 03:22:I once tried to document all the creative kits, but there are so many of them and the information seems not easy to find.
Thanks everyone.
That gives me some idea what to look for 1x,2x,4x cd-roms drives probably came with a sound /interface card. That makes sense; early tech=lower speeds+more parts(card+drive).
KLund1 wrote on 2024-06-03, 17:26:That gives me some idea what to look for 1x,2x,4x cd-roms drives probably came with a sound /interface card. That makes sense; early tech=lower speeds+more parts(card+drive).
Worth noting, too, that I believe the standard was only one IDE channel at the time. The second channel started to be a thing around 1994-1995 as CD-ROM migrated to ATAPI.
I had a 486 AST box in early 1995 that had one IDE channel with ATAPI 2X CD-ROM (Sony or Mitsumi, based on the driver floppies, were the options, mine was Sony). Always had the impression that that was the last of the one IDE channel era, and the first of the ATAPI era, at a time when I think the multimedia kits for sale at the stores were still using sound-card-based proprietary interfaces (or SCSI). Realistically, the multimedia kits were not long for this world... this was really the tail end of large OEM systems being offered without CD-ROM drives.
The 3DO also used the Matsushita/Panasonic CD drives, guides on that console are good at listing model numbers.
My SB16 came with a 2x drive, so doubt a SB Pro would come with a 4x drive but nothing but a guess on my part.
SBPro amd Pro2 only had a Panasonic connector, and thus can only accept the 1x (caddy) and 2x Creative drives (I have both). For 4x drives, they became ATAPI IDE so you need an SB16 with a certain minimum revision, as even the first SB16s had Panasonic instead of standard ATAPI IDE.
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By far the most common version of SB Pro 2 had the Panasonic/MKE connector, but as shown by multiple VOGONS users, others existed as well. You could get SB Pro with Mitsumi, Sony, LMSI or even SCSI.
I don't believe that a multi-CD version existed...but I am somewhat certain there was a multi-CD version of an SB 2.0 for some reason....though it's extremely rare.
Creative somehow managed to produce an obscene number of variations of their cards and kits. There's even an SB16 that is designed for an external CD-ROM drive, and I think it uses a staggered pin connector for an MKE interface.
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