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First post, by Ribbicipp

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So, in my journey to get my old Pentium 1, AST Advantage 623E to work with a SD to IDE adapter, i've so far run into countless problems.
This PC just refuses to accept any type of SD card.
Installing Win95 on the original 1.2gb HDD works no problem, but i really want this machine to run on an SD card.

My previous issue i had with trying to get this working can be read in this thread: 16mb disk space issue with 64gb SD-card
First off i tried it with a 64gb card which caused problems with the PC not recognizing the actual disk space and just said that it only had 16mb free unallocated space. Then i tried a 32gb card with the same issue.

Now im down to a 4gb SD card which causes a totally different kind of problem. No longer does the PC have an issue with recognizing that the SD is actually 4gb in size. Ok, so that solves the first problem i had with the bigger SD cards.
Now the issue is that after creating partitions (tried both FAT16 and 32), creating a mbr and formatting i just cannot install Win95 on the SD. I've ran into this exact same problem as in this thread: Windows 95/98 Hangs Copying Files Needed For Setup
I have of course also tried copying the Win95 installation to the SD in order to install it from there instead, but when trying to launch the installation from there, the PC just freezes and nothing happends.
On another forum i read that disabling "VT-x/AMD-V" fixed this issue, but i think that was on a Virtual Machine, so my PC doesn't have those options.

I've been trying to pry around in the BIOS in order to find any setting that might fix this, but the 1.04 bios im using is pretty barebones, even tho it's the latest one available for this PC.
Added pictures of the options in bios below.

Any ideas of what is causing this? Should i try an even smaller SD like a 2gb or will this cause the same issue?

Last edited by Ribbicipp on 2024-06-05, 15:03. Edited 1 time in total.

Reply 1 of 12, by waterbeesje

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Looking at the pentium 100 the bios limit would probably 8GB so you're fine there. It looks like there's a translation error.
Maybe you can try this sequence of you haven't don't that before:
- boot windows 95 or 98 bootdisk or cd on your ATS
- fdisk clear the partition table of your SD drive
- repartition as you like
- reboot
- run fdisk /MBR
- format SD drive with /s /u options
- get the Windows install folder onto the SD drive
- Retry Windows install

Stuck at 10MHz...

Reply 2 of 12, by jmarsh

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Win95 only supports FAT16 and the maximum partition size for that was originally 2GB (64 sectors per cluster)...

Reply 3 of 12, by waterbeesje

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jmarsh wrote on 2024-06-05, 17:25:

Win95 only supports FAT16 and the maximum partition size for that was originally 2GB (64 sectors per cluster)...

There's a point... Win 95 OSR2 does support fat32, I run it in my Aptiva with a 4GB hard disk in ons partition without problems...

The earlier edotions don't support fat32 and get you stuck at max 2GB per partition, max 8GB total.

Stuck at 10MHz...

Reply 4 of 12, by leonardo

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waterbeesje wrote on 2024-06-05, 18:03:
jmarsh wrote on 2024-06-05, 17:25:

Win95 only supports FAT16 and the maximum partition size for that was originally 2GB (64 sectors per cluster)...

There's a point... Win 95 OSR2 does support fat32, I run it in my Aptiva with a 4GB hard disk in ons partition without problems...

The earlier editions don't support fat32 and get you stuck at max 2GB per partition, max 8GB total.

Very much this. If you're not sure which version of Windows 95 you have, check out the label on the disk. If it states 'USB support included' or 'includes USB support', you've got OSR2 at least and can go as high up as 32 gigabytes per partition, but if you've got the original release, you're stuck on FAT16 and the limitations that will impose.

[Install Win95 like you were born in 1985!] on systems like this or this.

Reply 5 of 12, by Ribbicipp

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Im using Win95 OSR2.1.
Also tried installing Win98SE on another PC with a Pentium 2 with the same issue.

I might have found the culprit tho. I think the SD card i bought isn't compatible with the adapter, or overall not fit for these purposes.
I bought one of these cheap ones: https://www.amazon.se/gp/aw/d/B00195G388?psc= … asin_title&th=1 a class 4 micro SDHC.

Is there a specific requirement for which SD card work?

Reply 6 of 12, by wierd_w

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I would try turning off multisector transfers first.

In my experience, multiword DMA 2 "does work", but other kinds of multiword (specifically newer), do not.

without knowing what mode it is trying here, I would be leery.

**Specifically for SINTECHI SD->IDE adapter

Reply 7 of 12, by Jo22

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leonardo wrote on 2024-06-05, 18:27:
waterbeesje wrote on 2024-06-05, 18:03:
jmarsh wrote on 2024-06-05, 17:25:

Win95 only supports FAT16 and the maximum partition size for that was originally 2GB (64 sectors per cluster)...

There's a point... Win 95 OSR2 does support fat32, I run it in my Aptiva with a 4GB hard disk in ons partition without problems...

The earlier editions don't support fat32 and get you stuck at max 2GB per partition, max 8GB total.

Very much this. If you're not sure which version of Windows 95 you have, check out the label on the disk. If it states 'USB support included' or 'includes USB support', you've got OSR2 at least and can go as high up as 32 gigabytes per partition, but if you've got the original release, you're stuck on FAT16 and the limitations that will impose.

Hi there, the 32GB limit is mainly because of Windows Setup.

Windows XP has such an limit for FAT32, too, and I think it's artificial, to get users move over to NTFS.

That being said , there's an LBA limit in Windows 9x.

Windows 98/98SE has a patch that adds LBA-48 support.

Without it, the 28-bit LBA addessing does limit HDDs support to about 120GB.
Edit: 137GB, mathematically

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Reply 8 of 12, by wierd_w

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As pointed out in the previous thread, sintechi controllers do not actually support LBA48.

This means they cannot actually handle devices larger than 137gb. (Worse, they act like they can, but silently fail!!)

Such errata is moot here though; they have a suitably small card inserted. I would look at the multisector transfer situation.

Reply 9 of 12, by Ribbicipp

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Jo22 wrote on 2024-06-06, 10:33:
Hi there, the 32GB limit is mainly because of Windows Setup. […]
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leonardo wrote on 2024-06-05, 18:27:
waterbeesje wrote on 2024-06-05, 18:03:

There's a point... Win 95 OSR2 does support fat32, I run it in my Aptiva with a 4GB hard disk in ons partition without problems...

The earlier editions don't support fat32 and get you stuck at max 2GB per partition, max 8GB total.

Very much this. If you're not sure which version of Windows 95 you have, check out the label on the disk. If it states 'USB support included' or 'includes USB support', you've got OSR2 at least and can go as high up as 32 gigabytes per partition, but if you've got the original release, you're stuck on FAT16 and the limitations that will impose.

Hi there, the 32GB limit is mainly because of Windows Setup.

Windows XP has such an limit for FAT32, too, and I think it's artificial, to get users move over to NTFS.

That being said , there's an LBA limit in Windows 9x.

Windows 98/98SE has a patch that adds LBA-48 support.

Without it, the 28-bit LBA addessing does limit HDDs support to about 120GB.
Edit: 137GB, mathematically

Is there a way to limit a 32gb sd card in capacity to trick the computer into believing its only a 8gb card?
Partitioning 8gbs and leaving the rest unallocated doesnt seem to work.

Because honestly, my Pentium 1 doesnt need that much space and i would just like to do this as easy as possible in order for it to work, even if i limit disk space to 8 or even 4gb. As long as i can make it run on an SD card.

Reply 10 of 12, by leonardo

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Ribbicipp wrote on 2024-06-06, 12:55:
Is there a way to limit a 32gb sd card in capacity to trick the computer into believing its only a 8gb card? Partitioning 8gbs a […]
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Jo22 wrote on 2024-06-06, 10:33:
Hi there, the 32GB limit is mainly because of Windows Setup. […]
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leonardo wrote on 2024-06-05, 18:27:

Very much this. If you're not sure which version of Windows 95 you have, check out the label on the disk. If it states 'USB support included' or 'includes USB support', you've got OSR2 at least and can go as high up as 32 gigabytes per partition, but if you've got the original release, you're stuck on FAT16 and the limitations that will impose.

Hi there, the 32GB limit is mainly because of Windows Setup.

Windows XP has such an limit for FAT32, too, and I think it's artificial, to get users move over to NTFS.

That being said , there's an LBA limit in Windows 9x.

Windows 98/98SE has a patch that adds LBA-48 support.

Without it, the 28-bit LBA addessing does limit HDDs support to about 120GB.
Edit: 137GB, mathematically

Is there a way to limit a 32gb sd card in capacity to trick the computer into believing its only a 8gb card?
Partitioning 8gbs and leaving the rest unallocated doesnt seem to work.

Because honestly, my Pentium 1 doesnt need that much space and i would just like to do this as easy as possible in order for it to work, even if i limit disk space to 8 or even 4gb. As long as i can make it run on an SD card.

If it's actually a compatible SD-card on a compatible adapter, you shouldn't have to limit the size below 32 gigabytes. I do recall some early BIOSes had hiccups with disks larger than 8 GB though, is that why you're looking to limit the capacity?

Try to get the hardware incompatibility stuff sorted out first.

Jo22 wrote on 2024-06-06, 10:33:
Hi there, the 32GB limit is mainly because of Windows Setup. […]
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leonardo wrote on 2024-06-05, 18:27:
waterbeesje wrote on 2024-06-05, 18:03:

There's a point... Win 95 OSR2 does support fat32, I run it in my Aptiva with a 4GB hard disk in ons partition without problems...

The earlier editions don't support fat32 and get you stuck at max 2GB per partition, max 8GB total.

Very much this. If you're not sure which version of Windows 95 you have, check out the label on the disk. If it states 'USB support included' or 'includes USB support', you've got OSR2 at least and can go as high up as 32 gigabytes per partition, but if you've got the original release, you're stuck on FAT16 and the limitations that will impose.

Hi there, the 32GB limit is mainly because of Windows Setup.

Windows XP has such an limit for FAT32, too, and I think it's artificial, to get users move over to NTFS.

That being said , there's an LBA limit in Windows 9x.

Windows 98/98SE has a patch that adds LBA-48 support.

Without it, the 28-bit LBA addessing does limit HDDs support to about 120GB.
Edit: 137GB, mathematically

Hmm... this is interesting, if not surprising. It turns out they've rolled out an LBA-48 patch for Windows 95 OSR2 as well. I'll have to test that out and see if it's actually reliable.

[Install Win95 like you were born in 1985!] on systems like this or this.

Reply 11 of 12, by Ribbicipp

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leonardo wrote on 2024-06-06, 13:34:
If it's actually a compatible SD-card on a compatible adapter, you shouldn't have to limit the size below 32 gigabytes. I do rec […]
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Ribbicipp wrote on 2024-06-06, 12:55:
Is there a way to limit a 32gb sd card in capacity to trick the computer into believing its only a 8gb card? Partitioning 8gbs a […]
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Jo22 wrote on 2024-06-06, 10:33:
Hi there, the 32GB limit is mainly because of Windows Setup. […]
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Hi there, the 32GB limit is mainly because of Windows Setup.

Windows XP has such an limit for FAT32, too, and I think it's artificial, to get users move over to NTFS.

That being said , there's an LBA limit in Windows 9x.

Windows 98/98SE has a patch that adds LBA-48 support.

Without it, the 28-bit LBA addessing does limit HDDs support to about 120GB.
Edit: 137GB, mathematically

Is there a way to limit a 32gb sd card in capacity to trick the computer into believing its only a 8gb card?
Partitioning 8gbs and leaving the rest unallocated doesnt seem to work.

Because honestly, my Pentium 1 doesnt need that much space and i would just like to do this as easy as possible in order for it to work, even if i limit disk space to 8 or even 4gb. As long as i can make it run on an SD card.

If it's actually a compatible SD-card on a compatible adapter, you shouldn't have to limit the size below 32 gigabytes. I do recall some early BIOSes had hiccups with disks larger than 8 GB though, is that why you're looking to limit the capacity?

Try to get the hardware incompatibility stuff sorted out first.

Jo22 wrote on 2024-06-06, 10:33:
Hi there, the 32GB limit is mainly because of Windows Setup. […]
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leonardo wrote on 2024-06-05, 18:27:

Very much this. If you're not sure which version of Windows 95 you have, check out the label on the disk. If it states 'USB support included' or 'includes USB support', you've got OSR2 at least and can go as high up as 32 gigabytes per partition, but if you've got the original release, you're stuck on FAT16 and the limitations that will impose.

Hi there, the 32GB limit is mainly because of Windows Setup.

Windows XP has such an limit for FAT32, too, and I think it's artificial, to get users move over to NTFS.

That being said , there's an LBA limit in Windows 9x.

Windows 98/98SE has a patch that adds LBA-48 support.

Without it, the 28-bit LBA addessing does limit HDDs support to about 120GB.
Edit: 137GB, mathematically

Hmm... this is interesting, if not surprising. It turns out they've rolled out an LBA-48 patch for Windows 95 OSR2 as well. I'll have to test that out and see if it's actually reliable.

Ok, so i did some experimenting yesterday. I took the 64gb SD card i had in my other computer, a Dell Dimension R350, and tried that SD card in my older AST Advantage 623E (the one that's causing all the issues that this thread is about). The card had Win98SE installed on it and some games from the Dell computer.
I was expecting issues with compability, not being able to handle 64gb or not launch into Windows for some other reason.
Funny thing is that the card worked, booted into Windows, detected the new hardware and i tried some games no problem. It even read the hard drive disk space as 58gb.

So from there i installed a Norton Ghost backup image taken from my AST's original 1.2gb HDD with Win95 OSR.2.1 installed and all drivers etc. That too worked flawlessly and also read the disk space as around 58gb.

Im pretty confused about this whole situation. The very same 64gb SD card had issues with partitioning/formatting as the AST only read the card as 16mb large when partitioned from fdisk in dos 6.22.
But now the same card, when pre-partitioned/formatted/Windows-installed, taken from the Dell computer, works flawlessly?

Reply 12 of 12, by leonardo

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Ribbicipp wrote on 2024-06-07, 14:30:
Ok, so i did some experimenting yesterday. I took the 64gb SD card i had in my other computer, a Dell Dimension R350, and tried […]
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leonardo wrote on 2024-06-06, 13:34:
If it's actually a compatible SD-card on a compatible adapter, you shouldn't have to limit the size below 32 gigabytes. I do rec […]
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Ribbicipp wrote on 2024-06-06, 12:55:

Is there a way to limit a 32gb sd card in capacity to trick the computer into believing its only a 8gb card?
Partitioning 8gbs and leaving the rest unallocated doesnt seem to work.

Because honestly, my Pentium 1 doesnt need that much space and i would just like to do this as easy as possible in order for it to work, even if i limit disk space to 8 or even 4gb. As long as i can make it run on an SD card.

If it's actually a compatible SD-card on a compatible adapter, you shouldn't have to limit the size below 32 gigabytes. I do recall some early BIOSes had hiccups with disks larger than 8 GB though, is that why you're looking to limit the capacity?

Try to get the hardware incompatibility stuff sorted out first.

Jo22 wrote on 2024-06-06, 10:33:
Hi there, the 32GB limit is mainly because of Windows Setup. […]
Show full quote

Hi there, the 32GB limit is mainly because of Windows Setup.

Windows XP has such an limit for FAT32, too, and I think it's artificial, to get users move over to NTFS.

That being said , there's an LBA limit in Windows 9x.

Windows 98/98SE has a patch that adds LBA-48 support.

Without it, the 28-bit LBA addessing does limit HDDs support to about 120GB.
Edit: 137GB, mathematically

Hmm... this is interesting, if not surprising. It turns out they've rolled out an LBA-48 patch for Windows 95 OSR2 as well. I'll have to test that out and see if it's actually reliable.

Ok, so i did some experimenting yesterday. I took the 64gb SD card i had in my other computer, a Dell Dimension R350, and tried that SD card in my older AST Advantage 623E (the one that's causing all the issues that this thread is about). The card had Win98SE installed on it and some games from the Dell computer.
I was expecting issues with compability, not being able to handle 64gb or not launch into Windows for some other reason.
Funny thing is that the card worked, booted into Windows, detected the new hardware and i tried some games no problem. It even read the hard drive disk space as 58gb.

So from there i installed a Norton Ghost backup image taken from my AST's original 1.2gb HDD with Win95 OSR.2.1 installed and all drivers etc. That too worked flawlessly and also read the disk space as around 58gb.

Im pretty confused about this whole situation. The very same 64gb SD card had issues with partitioning/formatting as the AST only read the card as 16mb large when partitioned from fdisk in dos 6.22.
But now the same card, when pre-partitioned/formatted/Windows-installed, taken from the Dell computer, works flawlessly?

There's a clue: you used FDISK from MS-DOS 6.22? That's FAT16 limited again, right there.

You should use the one included on the Windows 95 install CD instead, for FAT32 support - or alternatively free fdisk.

[Install Win95 like you were born in 1985!] on systems like this or this.