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What can you all tell me about this card? Is it standard pci?

Will it work with orange pc software in a mac? Or is it some kind of backplane type setup? Is this actually a sun computer? or some kind of x86 compatibility card? how does this thing work? I’ve never worked with sun computers.

Last edited by Sphere478 on 2024-06-10, 22:53. Edited 1 time in total.

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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 1 of 11, by Sphere478

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https://youtu.be/51oDEFJNxp0?feature=shared

Found this.

So it kinda is similar to an orange pc.

Wonder if there is a way to use it in a mac?

Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 2 of 11, by keropi

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I had an ultrasparc 10? or 5? with such a card installed
I am not sure if it can work on other systems as it had some software to control it - much like the mac x86 compatibility cards where the card is start/stopped via a software , settings are passed through it and you can switch between systems with kb shortcuts

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Reply 3 of 11, by Babasha

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Sphere478 wrote on 2024-06-06, 12:33:
https://youtu.be/51oDEFJNxp0?feature=shared […]
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https://youtu.be/51oDEFJNxp0?feature=shared

Found this.

So it kinda is similar to an orange pc.

Wonder if there is a way to use it in a mac?

Nope! Its a SUN compatible only

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Reply 4 of 11, by dionb

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This is the SunPCI (v1), which is indeed basically an almost complete So7 system on a PCI board. Almost complete, as it's designed to share storage and comms with the host system. That's unfortunately what makes it Sun-specific, as it's expecting a PCI-based SparcStation for those things.

I had an Ultra 5 with one of these a while back. It was sort of fun, but pretty pointless: for tasks that needed a SparcStation, it didn't add anything and for tasks that needed a PC, it was far more limited than a separate PC on a KVM switch with NFS or other similar file share with the Sparc. The added value of copy/paste between windows didn't really compensate for that.

I don't have PCI Suns any more, but I have an SS20 and have a SunPC (same idea, but on an SBus card and with a 5x86) I intend to try out one of these days.

Reply 5 of 11, by Sphere478

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It looks like the card has a Sis 5598 single chip system chipset with I assume onboard video.

From the jumpering it would appear that this card may have bf0,bf1,bf2 multiplier options.

Voltage is settable down to 2.1v

This chipset apparently supports 83mhz fsb

I am curious about the large white connector, any ideas? What standard is that?

With what I am seeing, it looks like k6-3+ 83x6 500mhz may be possible.

Chipset apparently supports 384mb of ram but that will have to be tested.

Clock gen:
Re: Clock generators on Socket 7 and older motherboards

Still looking for a datasheet for clock gen, from what I am seeing, I believe it to probably support 83mhz, possibly even 100mhz it is referred to as a pentium 1 and 2 clock gen online.

Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 6 of 11, by Sphere478

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https://theretroweb.com/expansion-chips/5467

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Description:

The PCIIntel 21554 is a PCI peripheral device designed for embedded and intelligent I/O applications. It acts as a nontransparent PCI-to-PCI bridge with a 64-bit primary and secondary interface, supporting 33-MHz capability. The 21554 allows a local processor to independently configure and control the local subsystem, functioning as an intelligent I/O processor (IOP) in an I2O-capable system.

Key Features:

Architecture independent, compatible with any host and local processors supporting a PCI bus.
Bridges between two processor domains: the primary interface (host domain) and the secondary interface (local domain).
Supports independent primary and secondary PCI clocks, address spaces, and address translation.
Presents the subsystem as a single device to the host processor using a Type 0 configuration header, simplifying driver loading and local processor initialization.
Translates addresses between the primary and secondary domains, hiding subsystem resources from the host and resolving resource conflicts.
Operates at 3.3V with 5.0V tolerant I/O, allowing use in both 5V and 3V slots.
Additional Features:

Full compliance with PCI Local Bus Specification Revision 2.1.
Supports vital product data (VPD) and Compact PCI Distributed Hot-Swap.
Supports asynchronous or synchronous primary and secondary interface clocks.
Provides queuing of multiple transactions, read and write buffering, and delayed transaction entries.
Features configuration registers, transaction forwarding, and intelligent I/O support with an I2O message unit.
Includes ROM interfaces for parallel flash and serial ROM.
Supports secondary bus arbiter, secondary bus clock output, and IEEE Standard 1149.1 boundary-scan JTAG interface.
Please refer to the user manual for detailed information and configuration options for the PCIIntel 21554 PCI-to-PCI Bridge for Embedded Applications.

I’m really wondering if these could be adapted for use as orange PC type cards for macs… any thoughts on this?

Last edited by Sphere478 on 2024-06-09, 07:07. Edited 1 time in total.

Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
-
Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 7 of 11, by PD2JK

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Last week I got an IBM 586VE with K6-IIIE+, 2V.
Also SiS 5598 based. Whatever dip switch I'm setting, it always boots up at 210 MHz (60 MHz FSB)
Could be the BIOS lacking support, but also incompatible with the 5598?

Maybe you are more lucky!

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Reply 8 of 11, by Sphere478

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PD2JK wrote on 2024-06-09, 07:06:
Last week I got an IBM 586VE with K6-IIIE+, 2V. Also SiS 5598 based. Whatever dip switch I'm setting, it always boots up at 210 […]
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Last week I got an IBM 586VE with K6-IIIE+, 2V.
Also SiS 5598 based. Whatever dip switch I'm setting, it always boots up at 210 MHz (60 MHz FSB)
Could be the BIOS lacking support, but also incompatible with the 5598?

Maybe you are more lucky!

What do programs say? I’m betting it’s a bios deal. The jumpers program the cpu directly without bios interference. The bios needs to support the configuration to actually display the cpu info.

DIY Bios Modding guide Jan Steunebrink k6-2+/3+ 128gb

Might be able to patch bios

Sphere's PCB projects.
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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
-
Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 9 of 11, by PD2JK

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I ran speedsys a few times, score stays the same. Although cachechk reported a 325MHz CPU one time, but I don't know how accurate that is. Will try some more settings and check that thread out.
Sorry for hijacking this thread a bit!

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Reply 10 of 11, by megatron-uk

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I've got a later Sun PC card from a Blade 1500 I inherited. I think it's the Sun PCI III:

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It's not something I have played around with at all, as I never seem to have the free time to play with my older Unix kit (this box, plus a couple of older SGI systems).

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Reply 11 of 11, by HomeLate

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I have one in a Sun Blade 100, with a K6-2 400 Mhz and 64Mb ram. Like others already mentioned, it's basically a pc in a Sun environment. The Sun software has OpenDOS 7 installed. I like it, it's cool but unfortunately I hardly use it.