If by back you mean doing their normal fudging the numbers trick to make their space heaters look good then yes I agree they are back, however if you do want a space heater for a CPU then they have the perfect CPU for you!

The rest of us will be grabbing a more efficient CPU from the other team and running Linux if the internet is anything to go by and the FUD is to be believed, the 9700X at 65watts TDP does look pretty nice though.

Me I have a perfectly serviceable retro machine to keep me busy till 600watt GPUs are no longer the norm.

robertmo3 wrote on 2024-06-06, 06:30:

Arrow Lake TSMC N3B (Desktop) Lunar Lake TSMC N3B (Mobile) […]
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Arrow Lake TSMC N3B (Desktop)
Lunar Lake TSMC N3B (Mobile)

Apple - just great os again.
AMD - the end is near
Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite - too late

waiting for new intel gpu 😀

Man you so funny

Im actually pretty excited for LunarLake/ArrowLake, they look like good products. Its curious that they got rid of hyperthreading, wanna see some actual performance numbers though.

Oh come on.
Intel is being used as a mop at this point.
Who cares about Apple's mobile phone operating system....
As as far as RISC being the future.....well I've heard that one before.

I mistook OP message as ironic but i think i was wrong in my initial assessment

He might have been being sarcastic indeed. I don't know.
Some people feel differently about these companies than I do, and that's fine.

I got a ryzen 5900 a few years ago as my 'it's time now' upgrade, because it had the best bang for the buck.

Never did understand the chevy/ford like dichotomy some folks have for intel/amd.

Neither has my loyalty.

wierd_w wrote on 2024-06-06, 15:57:

I got a ryzen 5900 a few years ago as my 'it's time now' upgrade, because it had the best bang for the buck.

Never did understand the chevy/ford like dichotomy some folks have for intel/amd.

Neither has my loyalty.

I tend to go for whoever has the most efficient CPUs that dont compromise on power, right now that's AMD with the 65watt powerhouses, Intel at one point held that spot but currently they are following nVidia into space heater territory.

😀

wierd_w wrote on 2024-06-06, 15:57:

I got a ryzen 5900 a few years ago as my 'it's time now' upgrade, because it had the best bang for the buck.

Never did understand the chevy/ford like dichotomy some folks have for intel/amd.

Neither has my loyalty.

Unlike Chevy/Ford, Intel is a 100% anti-competitive, anti-consumer, anti-technology faceless corporate evil.

appiah4 wrote on 2024-06-07, 06:09:

wierd_w wrote on 2024-06-06, 15:57:

I got a ryzen 5900 a few years ago as my 'it's time now' upgrade, because it had the best bang for the buck.

Never did understand the chevy/ford like dichotomy some folks have for intel/amd.

Neither has my loyalty.

Unlike Chevy/Ford, Intel is a 100% anti-competitive, anti-consumer, anti-technology faceless corporate evil.

And they've been shamelessly skewing benchmark data through surreptitious code paths in the compiler, since forever too... I am well aware of Intel's many sins.

1. intel 3nm+, amd 4nm
2. E-cores gonna be in 3nm just like P-cores, so overheating is gone
3. just look how good intel single core was on its ancient 10nm (7nm)
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html
i think 3nm could be way better single core now,
but of course it depends whether it was intel process better or cpu design that was better
if tsmc process is worse than intel, than intel was better not cause of cpu design.

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1. intel 3nm+, amd 4nm 2. E-cores gonna be in 3nm just like P-cores, so overheating is gone 3. just look how good intel single c […]
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1. intel 3nm+, amd 4nm
2. E-cores gonna be in 3nm just like P-cores, so overheating is gone
3. just look how good intel single core was on its ancient 10nm (7nm)
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html
i think 3nm could be way better single core now,
but of course it depends whether it was intel process better or cpu design that was better
if tsmc process is worse than intel, than intel was better not cause of cpu design.

Overheating wont be gone because Intel drives its cores hard as hell to beat AMD, they really dont have any other choice either as their whole setup is highly inefficient.

I dont expect this to change anytime soon either, they seem to be getting stuck in the Pentium 4 mentality again of driving their CPUs for top speed over everything else.

This NUC6i7kyk SkullCanyon is probably going to be the last Intel related thing I ever bother using and the only reason I'm using it is because of the extremely compact form factor and the Intel Iris Pro 580 can properly dither 16-bit (RGB-565) visuals in addition to support most modern features being used in current engines.

If AMD would have made something like this, I would have considered it but then I'd be forgoing a lot of compatibility since the last time I tried to do any retro gaming on AMD based graphics, I ended up with 10 FPS for no reason and extremely banded graphics in the case of 16-bit video modes.

HT was ditched by Intel because they had the ability to simply put in more cores for more performance and a lesser discussed/known reason is that there were found to be security issues with HT. Intel got reamed hard in the late 2010's and early 2020's for security issues that stemmed from their CPU features and designs, so they are trying to figure out what they can get by with and what actually works for security. As for their GPUs, I will be looking carefully at their upcoming Battlemage (Xe2) GPUs that are set to release later this year and hope to build an Intel-only Windows gaming PC, if the performance and stability pans out in their driver updates.

AMD launches RDNA-4 later this year and it's new from the ground-up, so we'll see what that brings. The 3D-cache version of Ryzan 5 should also be launching later this year, so the two should be potent pairing for gaming, if RDNA -4 delivers on ray-tracing and other features that are part of today's games.

Right now, we're seeing a ton of AMD APU-powered gaming handhelds being released and even some Intel ones are appearing, so it will be interesting to see if we get any more Tegra handhelds (Nintendo Switch) or ARM-powered units to take on mobile gaming on Windows and Android. If Nvidia can revamp their Tegra designs for Windows on ARM, it could prove to be a market disrupter for a bit.

RetroGamer4Ever wrote on 2024-06-07, 13:45:

HT was ditched by Intel because they had the ability to simply put in more cores for more performance and a lesser discussed/known reason is that there were found to be security issues with HT. Intel got reamed hard in the late 2010's and early 2020's for security issues that stemmed from their CPU features and designs, so they are trying to figure out what they can get by with and what actually works for security. As for their GPUs, I will be looking carefully at their upcoming Battlemage (Xe2) GPUs that are set to release later this year and hope to build an Intel-only Windows gaming PC, if the performance and stability pans out in their driver updates.

AMD launches RDNA-4 later this year and it's new from the ground-up, so we'll see what that brings. The 3D-cache version of Ryzan 5 should also be launching later this year, so the two should be potent pairing for gaming, if RDNA -4 delivers on ray-tracing and other features that are part of today's games.

Right now, we're seeing a ton of AMD APU-powered gaming handhelds being released and even some Intel ones are appearing, so it will be interesting to see if we get any more Tegra handhelds (Nintendo Switch) or ARM-powered units to take on mobile gaming on Windows and Android. If Nvidia can revamp their Tegra designs for Windows on ARM, it could prove to be a market disrupter for a bit.

Pretty sure nVidia is dropping current Tegra designs for a new AI powered Tegra design, like the one that combines their AI,CPU and GPU parts into one ASIC. IF nVidia can deliver on it and X86 on ARM takes off with the new faster on the fly conversion tech that has been developed in the last year then nVidia might just become another player in the home PC market with all nVidia PCs.

x86 on ARM is really the pin in all of this, if we can get x86 over to ARM fully we might be able to eventually ditch x86 for good which honestly wont be a terrible thing.

I don't think I'm going to totally give up on Intel, but if my desktop computer explodes today, I'm going for socket AM5. If I need a new laptop, it will depend on which one has the other features I'm looking for, just like my current laptop. It would be nice to get an AMD laptop, but companies that sell laptops only sell decent AMD-based laptops in Europe for some reason.

Synthetic benchmarks (such as Passmark) have always been manipulated. There are also too many sponsored "reviews."

Intel?

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amd is twice slower than intel in emulators
this single argument eliminates amd for me