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First post, by Meatball

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Before I send this away for fixing, I thought someone here might be able to tell me something obvious I am overlooking.

This Obsidian2 has only output and no passthrough - it's from an Arcade unit. Windows sees the card and drivers for Voodoo2 or Obsidian install OK. The drivers which work best are Obsidian2 Release 6C or Fast Voodoo 4.6, and that only means I've gotten the furthest functionality with them. Others probably work fine, but I'd have to reformat the system each time to try a different driver, OS, and DirectX combination.

Monitor 1 (LCD) is connected to a Riva 128ZX (which looks plain awful on an LCD, but fine on CRT.. I digress..)
Monitor 2 (CRT) is connected to the Obsidian 2 90-2440.

Anyway, all the control panel items show up for Voodoo2 drivers. When I activate 3D, I can see the card doing "something" from monitor 1. When I run DXdiag, the spinning cube runs, but I can't see anything - monitor 2 never engages. When I tried Turok in Benchmark mode, same thing. Monitor 1 shows "Glide 3D DLL initialized..." but nothing shows up on monitor 2. I can hear the game running, though.

10MB Total memory
2MB Frame Buffer
4MB per TMU (2x)

Does anyone have any ideas what is going on or what I am missing?

Thanks much!

Reply 2 of 12, by sdz

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Looks weird indeed, like it's missing 1 leg. Maybe it's a diode and doesn't need the third leg.

@Meatball do you have an oscilloscope? If the card doesn't throw any errors it's probably mostly OK. I had a card with the exact behaviour as yours, it was missing hsync or vsync, don't recall which one.

Reply 3 of 12, by Meatball

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weedeewee wrote on 2022-05-29, 18:36:

That bodge transistor doesn't look very well. Is it the photo angle or... ?

I'm not quite sure what a Bodge Transistor is, but if you're talking about the goofy-looking fix near the RAM, it seems it was from the factory to address a bug.

https://thandor.net/object/105

Reply 4 of 12, by pentiumspeed

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Make sure this bodge fix's transistor's third leg is not broken off.

Cheers,

Great Northern aka Canada.

Reply 5 of 12, by Meatball

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sdz wrote on 2022-05-29, 19:00:

Looks weird indeed, like it's missing 1 leg. Maybe it's a diode and doesn't need the third leg.

@Meatball do you have an oscilloscope? If the card doesn't throw any errors it's probably mostly OK. I had a card with the exact behaviour as yours, it was missing hsync or vsync, don't recall which one.

I don't have one. I see them on Amazon for less than $50. Are these good enough? Is it good to have one around, in general?

Reply 6 of 12, by Meatball

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pentiumspeed wrote on 2022-05-29, 19:08:

Make sure this bodge fix's transistor's third leg is not broken off.

Cheers,

Thanks for the suggestion - I have checked with a magnifying glass, and I tapped each leg to check for any movement. All 3 legs are secure.

Reply 7 of 12, by sdz

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I don't know what you get for that price, for measuring hsync/vsync, sure, it should do it. But for other stuff it might be useless.

Reply 8 of 12, by rasz_pl

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Meatball wrote on 2022-05-29, 19:12:

I don't have one. I see them on Amazon for less than $50. Are these good enough?

no

Meatball wrote on 2022-05-29, 19:12:

Is it good to have one around, in general?

no if you have to ask

Find a HAM or hackerspace near you, ask nicely for a favor, offer box of chocolates or a 6pack 😀. What you want is looking at VGA outputs, and RAMDAC inputs/outputs with https://retronn.de/ftp/docs/pc_hardware/DACs/ICS5342.pdf in hand

https://github.com/raszpl/FIC-486-GAC-2-Cache-Module for AT&T Globalyst
https://github.com/raszpl/386RC-16 memory board
https://github.com/raszpl/440BX Reference Design adapted to Kicad
https://github.com/raszpl/Zenith_ZBIOS MFM-300 Monitor

Reply 9 of 12, by 74xx_arcade

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Hi there, wondering if this was ever resolved.

I'm in the same position, a 90-2440 that is happily recognized by Windows 98, but refuses to show anything. The CRT I'm using it with goes into power save and never comes out of it.

The one I have is from Hydro Thunder. Apparently it has a CPLD on board that does some handshake with the arcade hardware. Is it possible the card won't work in a PC? The CPLD sticker is 546-0024-03. Wondering if anyone with this exact card and "security" chip has it working on a PC.

Reply 10 of 12, by 74xx_arcade

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To further this theory, in the case of Hydro Thunder, work has been done to modify the game files to skip the security check in order to allow other VooDoo2 cards to work. The modder mentioned that this bypass actually causes the game NOT to boot with the original card installed.

https://forums.arcade-museum.com/threads/conf … 13#post-3215996

Reply 11 of 12, by 74xx_arcade

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"-Also, do NOT do this modification to a machine that has the legit graphics card (CPLD of 546-0024-03).
Apparently that video card keeps the video off, and the CPLD must turn it on when it receives data. Since we are bypassing that, this never happens."

Reply 12 of 12, by rasz_pl

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Are the unlock commands one and done or do you have to constantly fulfill some challenge-response mechanism? Maybe a small unlock.com in autoexec.bat would suffice to make this card PC compatible.

https://github.com/raszpl/FIC-486-GAC-2-Cache-Module for AT&T Globalyst
https://github.com/raszpl/386RC-16 memory board
https://github.com/raszpl/440BX Reference Design adapted to Kicad
https://github.com/raszpl/Zenith_ZBIOS MFM-300 Monitor