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First post, by UselessSoftware

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I'm having an issue with this motherboard where any CF card I try to install with an IDE adapter fails on POST like the below photo. I've tried several different cards and a couple different adapters (all work on other PCs) and the results are the same. The motherboard works fine with a standard old mechanical IDE drive.

Any ideas? BIOS settings to look at?

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Reply 1 of 11, by Disruptor

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Which size does your CF card have?

Reply 2 of 11, by UselessSoftware

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I've tried 4 GB and 32 GB cards.

Now I have another problem. Last night I installed Windows 2000 Server. After the first reboot, the BIOS POST now shows that I only have 1 MB of RAM instead of 128 MB. I've tried reseating, no change. I have no idea what's going on with this board, something strange. CPU and cache jumpers all look good.

Reply 3 of 11, by douglar

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Looks like you have a patched BIOS on there that should support large drives.

Maybe it's an LBA thing.

Did your mechanical drive run with CHS addressing?

Reply 4 of 11, by UselessSoftware

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douglar wrote on 2024-06-20, 19:03:

Looks like you have a patched BIOS on there that should support large drives.

Maybe it's an LBA thing.

Did your mechanical drive run with CHS addressing?

Yeah it's the patched 2001 Award BIOS. I was using the mechanical with LBA, it's a 10 GB drive.

Reply 5 of 11, by douglar

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I'm sure you would never wrap power cables around your data cables. In that case I'd go with the option that you might have a failing simm.

Reply 6 of 11, by ux-3

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There are several CF adapters that don't set the cards on slave, no matter what you set. Try a card alone on an IDE as master, see if it gets detected.

Also: have the card geometry detected in bios.

Retro PC warning: The things you own end up owning you.

Reply 7 of 11, by UselessSoftware

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douglar wrote on 2024-06-20, 19:32:

I'm sure you would never wrap power cables around your data cables. In that case I'd go with the option that you might have a failing simm.

Yeah my memory has never been tested in other systems, so I don't know for sure if it's good. The second issue I mentioned with the BIOS suddenly only seeing 1 MB of RAM also kinda points to a memory problem. I'll play around with the RAM tonight and try individual sticks/different sticks.

Reply 8 of 11, by UselessSoftware

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ux-3 wrote on 2024-06-20, 19:44:

There are several CF adapters that don't set the cards on slave, no matter what you set. Try a card alone on an IDE as master, see if it gets detected.

Also: have the card geometry detected in bios.

That's what I've been doing, one card alone as master. Used two different model adapters, both of which I know work fine on several other motherboards.

Reply 9 of 11, by UselessSoftware

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I swapped the RAM with new RAM (literally new manufacture, from Memory Masters) and now it posts with a full 128 MB, Windows 2000 Server boots from the mechanical hard disk and works just fine. So I think we're good with the memory here.

But I STILL get a hard disk failure error when trying to use any CF cards! Any other ideas?

Reply 10 of 11, by UselessSoftware

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Wow okay, I put a different brand CF card on and it worked. It just seems to really hate Sandisk CF cards, whether it's 4 GB or 32 GB!

Is there some feature that these may not support that the BIOS requires? Maybe something that could be fixed by tweaking something in the BIOS?

Reply 11 of 11, by douglar

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Does your board run the IDE controller directly into the ISA bus or is there a PCI IDE controller on the board?

I'm assuming you have a UMC UM8663 IO chip if you have one of these boards:
https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/shuttl … -hot-433-rev.-1
https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/shuttl … ot-433-ver.-1-3
https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/shuttl … ot-433-ver.-4.0