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First post, by Aui

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Hi everyone,

I recently "benchemarked" one of my old systems ( AT (Clone) - Motherboard Formfactor )
and also experimented with some old ISA VGA cards. Among others I found that my Realtec card is incredible slow.

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However, I still wanted to keep it because it was still a good working card. However, after I posted my Benchmark, it seems the card got a bit embarassed and ever since it is outputting only garbage.

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Any ideas what could be the problem ? (I already removed / contact sprayed and reseated all chips twice)

thanks for the help.

Reply 1 of 9, by majestyk

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Dying video-RAM chip(s)?

Reply 2 of 9, by Aui

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Could you please elaborate a bit more. I suspected this myself, but could you give me some intuition (or a link to some reading) how ram chips can actually fail? My idea of Ram ( as well as of early days CPUs) is that they should actually last almost forever. These days, when we are close to the nm scale (+ very high temperatures / frequencies) I could imagine how material erosion / diffusion etc may actually damage hardware -but with these old chips - any idea how they can fail (and any way to prevent or fix that? thanks

Reply 3 of 9, by Madao

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or just a ESD damage.

Reply 4 of 9, by Aui

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or just a ESD damage.

but why and how? Remember, only a few days ago, I was swaping and alternating this card with the newer Trident one. And both cards would just work fine.

Reply 5 of 9, by Madao

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PC hardware doesn't died instant by ESD. Sometime works it fine for few weeks or hour or months (whatever) then it dies suddenly by pre-damaged ciruit.

Reply 6 of 9, by Mandrew

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Electromigration. It causes intermittent errors before a complete failure of the chip.

Reply 7 of 9, by mkarcher

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Aui wrote on 2024-06-23, 04:38:

Any ideas what could be the problem ? (I already removed / contact sprayed and reseated all chips twice)

Your picture looks like the graphic chip receives complete garbage from video RAM, but is perfectly able to generate a text-mode picture. Does the screen content change during POST? If not, my guess in on the write enable line (/WE) being broken. Kinds fo /WE being broken include /WE shorted to VCC, or the trace interrupted, the solder joint of the /WE pin of the Realtek chip being broken or (of course) the Realtek chip being broken and unable to drive /WE any longer.

Reply 8 of 9, by MikeSG

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Looks like a video RAM problem, or ISA bus speed turned up too high (?)

Reply 9 of 9, by Aui

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Well, I have not done anything to the ISA Bus speed. Unfortunately I also do t know how to diagnose the WE line. I noticed that several pins on the Realtek chip are slightly corroded ( will check that later inder the Mic). I will also check if I can find other Ram to try to replace some chips