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First post, by Major Jackyl

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My first request for technical assistance, thanks for having me!

I have a ZEOS Model 486DX-33T and it is having a storage issue. In the BIOS, drive parameters are set manually

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The HDD has most of this data on it : 989 cyl - 15 heads - 56spt - 425.3MB

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I've read more on LZ and PreComp and have tried almost every variable of combination, all fail. Is this possibly the issue? ERROR ENCOUNTERED INITIALIZIND HARD DRIVE 0 is what comes after a lengthy wait (floppy drive ckeck, then wait). "Continue" Boots the system (off a floppy) and everything else is working once I'm there.

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The Hard Drive is a Western Digital Caviar 2420 (pictured) and was recently (finally) tested in another system and works (already partitioned, formatted, and some games put on it). The other system I put it in uses a JMicron IDE controller and it gave me a screen I've never seen (had the computer since new) but the drive still was detected by windows XP and was reading/writing fine. (might be useful info?)

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I have an ISA IDE/FDD controller available for testing, but it would need testing (and unburying) as I never tested it after I got it out of the bargain bin.

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Reply 1 of 9, by jakethompson1

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IDE drives don't use landing zones of write precomp. For landing zone use 989, for write precomp you want NONE--some BIOSes call it 65535

Reply 2 of 9, by Major Jackyl

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jakethompson1 wrote on 2024-06-27, 00:44:

IDE drives don't use landing zones of write precomp. For landing zone use 989, for write precomp you want NONE--some BIOSes call it 65535

I've tried setting LZ=CYL and Precomp only ranges 0-9999. Some of the hard drive pre-sets show a NONE in the value, but I can't put letters in the box. Putting 9999 in automatically turns it to NONE (as I just found out), but it didn't work still. Nice to see NONE in there now, though.

Main Loadout (daily drivers):
Intel TE430VX, Pentium Sy022 (133), Cirrus Logic 5440, SB16 CT1740
ECS K7S5A, A-XP1600+, MSI R9550
ASUS M2N-E, A64X2-4600+, PNY GTX670, SB X-Fi Elite Pro
MSI Z690, Intel 12900K, MSI RTX3090, SB AE-7

Reply 3 of 9, by jakethompson1

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I see. Only other idea is master/slave jumper on the drive isn't set correctly, or something wrong with the ribbon cable

Reply 4 of 9, by Major Jackyl

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Knew this was going to be a bit tricky. I believe I've tried other cables, but I'm determined, so I'm trying a known good now. Damn. still no-go. I don't have drives old enough for this to try another.

Main Loadout (daily drivers):
Intel TE430VX, Pentium Sy022 (133), Cirrus Logic 5440, SB16 CT1740
ECS K7S5A, A-XP1600+, MSI R9550
ASUS M2N-E, A64X2-4600+, PNY GTX670, SB X-Fi Elite Pro
MSI Z690, Intel 12900K, MSI RTX3090, SB AE-7

Reply 5 of 9, by jakethompson1

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There is an "XT-IDE BIOS on a floppy" thread elsewhere on here. If you disable the drive in your BIOS and try booting from that, it could rule out a BIOS coding quirk

Reply 6 of 9, by Major Jackyl

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Sweet. Got something different happening. Also getting symptoms of memory issues now (especally after trying to load XUBDisk). After a few attempts, it is able to find the drive, but then locks up on the last step. I reboot (via reset switch or Power) and now my 7168k Extended memory is GONE all 0. Won't do shit then. I kill the thing completely and restart and it comes back, passes mem check and continues to have the same issue. Boots ANY floppy OS and even loads Windows 3.11 off a ZIP.

Main Loadout (daily drivers):
Intel TE430VX, Pentium Sy022 (133), Cirrus Logic 5440, SB16 CT1740
ECS K7S5A, A-XP1600+, MSI R9550
ASUS M2N-E, A64X2-4600+, PNY GTX670, SB X-Fi Elite Pro
MSI Z690, Intel 12900K, MSI RTX3090, SB AE-7

Reply 8 of 9, by Major Jackyl

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Updates:
Alrighty! I've gotten somewhere! The XTIDE bootable BIOS is what made the thing boot, for now. I'll kinda go down the path I was going...
I had a feeling a memory module was bad, so I pulled the memory that didn't look OE and tried booting it. The remaining 4 modules add up to 3072K, which seems odd for an even number of sticks... All eight of them was 7108K

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With the memory removed, it moved through POST with much swiftness and the XTIDE BIOS didn't get stuck irregularly anymore. Still no HDD, it detects WDC-2420, but locks up trying to boot A. Here's where the "d'oh" begins...
I pulled the drive and hung it from my LX, to install DOS, so I can try booting it directly. I was not expecting what happened next... The computer could NOT detect the drive!! What?! I literally was using it a few days ago and copied 50-60MB of data onto it. I have NOTHING else to try in this thing (or DO I?) Indeed. I grabbed a Quantum Fireball 2.1AT from another system and jabbed it in there. It ran through POST and XTIDE very quickly, booted to Windows 98. Wow. Can't use that drive though, so I grabbed this: ST31001A

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I started the 6.22 install process and it had NO issues rebooting and doing it over and over. Lo-and behold, booted DOS from a 10 GB hard drive... Wow. A 486 with 10GB would've cost upwards of $20k, I want to guess. Interesting that a 10GB drive even works with it AT ALL!

So what I learned: Test the HDD again, in ANOTHER system, if all symptoms seem to be HDD related.

I have THIS thing too:

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I tried using it with some interesting results. I'm not even sure what EXACTLY it is, but it looks like what I needed, so I gave it a whirl. When it is plugged in, it takes over being controlled by the system BIOS, except, disabling on-board HDC and FDC does nothing but what it says. The computer fully acknowledged the setting of the two floppy drives and booted from A like it was nothing. Same with the XTIDE: Ran the gambit, detected the drive, then attempted boot. With the good drive in now, I tested again and it successfully boots from this card using the XTIDE BIOS.

There are some issues still , but I guess I can't continue testing until I get a HDD with 9999 or less Cylinders.

Main Loadout (daily drivers):
Intel TE430VX, Pentium Sy022 (133), Cirrus Logic 5440, SB16 CT1740
ECS K7S5A, A-XP1600+, MSI R9550
ASUS M2N-E, A64X2-4600+, PNY GTX670, SB X-Fi Elite Pro
MSI Z690, Intel 12900K, MSI RTX3090, SB AE-7

Reply 9 of 9, by jakethompson1

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If you're happy using XT-IDE, you just need to add an Ethernet card with the XT-IDE BIOS chip on it as a boot rom, that way you can dispense with the boot floppy