It´s one of those "PC-Chips" misfits:
https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/pcchip … 571-v3.2-a#docs
The SiS one-chip chipset SiS5598 is in charge of video here.

Interesting onboard ISA sound CMI8330.

majestyk wrote on 2024-06-30, 13:13:

It´s one of those "PC-Chips" misfits:
https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/pcchip … 571-v3.2-a#docs
The SiS one-chip chipset SiS5598 is in charge of video here.

so it can not play?

ux-3 wrote on 2024-06-30, 13:28:

Interesting onboard ISA sound CMI8330.

i plan to use awe64 instead probably better

DataDragons wrote on 2024-06-30, 13:30:

ux-3 wrote on 2024-06-30, 13:28:

Interesting onboard ISA sound CMI8330.

i plan to use awe64 instead probably better

Well, the CMI8330 is one of of the very few soundblaster 16 compatible clones. But I prefer an AWE64 any day! 😀

As far as graphics go, it might be OKish for DOS. I do have the SIS AGP 530 here in a SS7 board and so far, it worked for DOS. I have heard that it doesn't run some games, so maybe yours suffers the same problem. You have lots of PCI, so add another VGA card if the need arises.
But I would consider to add an accelerator card too. What is your CPU?

ux-3 wrote on 2024-06-30, 14:16:

Well, the CMI8330 is one of of the very few soundblaster 16 compatible clones. But I prefer an AWE64 any day! :-) […]
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DataDragons wrote on 2024-06-30, 13:30:

ux-3 wrote on 2024-06-30, 13:28:

Interesting onboard ISA sound CMI8330.

i plan to use awe64 instead probably better

Well, the CMI8330 is one of of the very few soundblaster 16 compatible clones. But I prefer an AWE64 any day! 😀

As far as graphics go, it might be OKish for DOS. I do have the SIS AGP 530 here in a SS7 board and so far, it worked for DOS. I have heard that it doesn't run some games, so maybe yours suffers the same problem. You have lots of PCI, so add another VGA card if the need arises.
But I would consider to add an accelerator card too. What is your CPU?

hey thx for info so i might need to add some graphic card
my cpu is cyrix m2 -300

if onboard vga not good enough
this card is ok for most of game?

PCI ATI Rage XL 8MB VGA

DataDragons wrote on 2024-06-30, 13:30:

ux-3 wrote on 2024-06-30, 13:28:

Interesting onboard ISA sound CMI8330.

i plan to use awe64 instead probably better

I wanted to give it a go on another PCChips board but after watching a few vids on YT it turns out it is not great for DOS, ok for 98.
Probably better with another dedicated card.

DataDragons wrote on 2024-06-30, 15:44:

if onboard vga not good enough
this card is ok for most of game?

PCI ATI Rage XL 8MB VGA

This card will most probably not work for you as it requires 3.3v present in PCI bus, which is not common in AT boards.

I have a motherboard with that chipset. Compatibility is pretty good, but it's slow. You can try it and see if it gives you acceptable performance.

DataDragons wrote on 2024-06-30, 13:30:

ux-3 wrote on 2024-06-30, 13:28:

Interesting onboard ISA sound CMI8330.

i plan to use awe64 instead probably better

Define "better"?

CMI-8330:
+ real OPL3 core (or 1:1 clone)
+ no slowdown bugs
- no actual built-in MIDI, although also no MIDI bugs with external MIDI
- possibly more noise than a good card

In any event, if you want to run high-end games on this board, use an external VGA card. Which you use is less relevant, the important thing is that integrated VGA uses half the memory bandwidth, castrating the CPU. An external PCI card allows full bandwidth for CPU. For DOS, ATI isn't generally the best choice due to scrolling issues, usually Cirrus Logic or S3 (or non-period-correct nVidia or 3dfx) is a better option.

AWE64:
+ built-in AWE MIDI music
+ decently quiet cards, in particular the Gold version - but how good depends on how much RAM on card
- Creative CQM instead of OPL3, FM sounds bad
- slowdown bugs when playing MIDI at same time as high-quality audio

A good 8330 card (like the MK8330) with external MIDI wipes the floor with AWE64, without any other stuff, the AWE64 is better for very late DOS stuff with native AWE support, the 8330 better for earlier things needing good FM.

I have a MII 333 overclocked to 366 and is great in DOS, i love this CPU

dionb wrote on 2024-07-04, 19:45:

Define "better"? […]
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DataDragons wrote on 2024-06-30, 13:30:

ux-3 wrote on 2024-06-30, 13:28:

Interesting onboard ISA sound CMI8330.

i plan to use awe64 instead probably better

Define "better"?

CMI-8330:
+ real OPL3 core (or 1:1 clone)
+ no slowdown bugs
- no actual built-in MIDI, although also no MIDI bugs with external MIDI
- possibly more noise than a good card

In any event, if you want to run high-end games on this board, use an external VGA card. Which you use is less relevant, the important thing is that integrated VGA uses half the memory bandwidth, castrating the CPU. An external PCI card allows full bandwidth for CPU. For DOS, ATI isn't generally the best choice due to scrolling issues, usually Cirrus Logic or S3 (or non-period-correct nVidia or 3dfx) is a better option.

AWE64:
+ built-in AWE MIDI music
+ decently quiet cards, in particular the Gold version - but how good depends on how much RAM on card
- Creative CQM instead of OPL3, FM sounds bad
- slowdown bugs when playing MIDI at same time as high-quality audio

A good 8330 card (like the MK8330) with external MIDI wipes the floor with AWE64, without any other stuff, the AWE64 is better for very late DOS stuff with native AWE support, the 8330 better for earlier things needing good FM.

FM in awe64 is AMAZING, sound great and with reverb and chorus is possible to addapt per game effects

theelf wrote on 2024-07-04, 20:43:

[...]

FM in awe64 is AMAZING, sound great and with reverb and chorus is possible to addapt per game effects

Others have other opinons:
OPL3 vs. ESFM vs. CQM vs. SBLive

I agree with this one:

Personally I do not like the weak, hissy, metallic, bass-less sound of CQM.

dionb wrote on 2024-07-04, 21:41:

Others have other opinons: OPL3 vs. ESFM vs. CQM vs. SBLive […]
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theelf wrote on 2024-07-04, 20:43:

[...]

FM in awe64 is AMAZING, sound great and with reverb and chorus is possible to addapt per game effects

Others have other opinons:
OPL3 vs. ESFM vs. CQM vs. SBLive

I agree with this one:

Personally I do not like the weak, hissy, metallic, bass-less sound of CQM.

OPL3 vs. ESFM vs. CQM vs. SBLive

Not only sound more or less same all this records, i cant hear much difference to be true, but you can add chorus and reverb... a big win of awe64. For sure dont sound bad, bad is FM in a PCI 128 for example

theelf wrote on 2024-07-04, 22:52:

dionb wrote on 2024-07-04, 21:41:

Others have other opinons: OPL3 vs. ESFM vs. CQM vs. SBLive […]
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theelf wrote on 2024-07-04, 20:43:

[...]

FM in awe64 is AMAZING, sound great and with reverb and chorus is possible to addapt per game effects

Others have other opinons:
OPL3 vs. ESFM vs. CQM vs. SBLive

I agree with this one:

Personally I do not like the weak, hissy, metallic, bass-less sound of CQM.

OPL3 vs. ESFM vs. CQM vs. SBLive

Not only sound more or less same all this records, i cant hear much difference to be true, but you can add chorus and reverb... a big win of awe64. For sure dont sound bad, bad is FM in a PCI 128 for example

I'm not a fan of CQM as it sounds harsher to me despite being able to apply reverb and chorus with my AWE64, but at least it is better than most emulated FM synths around such the ones from Aureal Vortex which sounds very off.

dionb wrote on 2024-07-04, 19:45:

Define "better"? […]
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DataDragons wrote on 2024-06-30, 13:30:

ux-3 wrote on 2024-06-30, 13:28:

Interesting onboard ISA sound CMI8330.

i plan to use awe64 instead probably better

Define "better"?

CMI-8330:
+ real OPL3 core (or 1:1 clone)
+ no slowdown bugs
- no actual built-in MIDI, although also no MIDI bugs with external MIDI
- possibly more noise than a good card

In any event, if you want to run high-end games on this board, use an external VGA card. Which you use is less relevant, the important thing is that integrated VGA uses half the memory bandwidth, castrating the CPU. An external PCI card allows full bandwidth for CPU. For DOS, ATI isn't generally the best choice due to scrolling issues, usually Cirrus Logic or S3 (or non-period-correct nVidia or 3dfx) is a better option.

AWE64:
+ built-in AWE MIDI music
+ decently quiet cards, in particular the Gold version - but how good depends on how much RAM on card
- Creative CQM instead of OPL3, FM sounds bad
- slowdown bugs when playing MIDI at same time as high-quality audio

A good 8330 card (like the MK8330) with external MIDI wipes the floor with AWE64, without any other stuff, the AWE64 is better for very late DOS stuff with native AWE support, the 8330 better for earlier things needing good FM.

actually i dont care much about awe64 or sound card anymore
after i got Roland sc-55 i never go back to use soundcard as main sound
sc-55 is so much better than awe64 or cmi-8330 in everyway
right now i try to find MT-32 for old dos game and stop use soundcard completely

DataDragons wrote on 2024-07-05, 14:29:

actually i dont care much about awe64 or sound card anymore after i got Roland sc-55 i never go back to use soundcard as main […]
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dionb wrote on 2024-07-04, 19:45:

Define "better"? […]
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DataDragons wrote on 2024-06-30, 13:30:

i plan to use awe64 instead probably better

Define "better"?

CMI-8330:
+ real OPL3 core (or 1:1 clone)
+ no slowdown bugs
- no actual built-in MIDI, although also no MIDI bugs with external MIDI
- possibly more noise than a good card

In any event, if you want to run high-end games on this board, use an external VGA card. Which you use is less relevant, the important thing is that integrated VGA uses half the memory bandwidth, castrating the CPU. An external PCI card allows full bandwidth for CPU. For DOS, ATI isn't generally the best choice due to scrolling issues, usually Cirrus Logic or S3 (or non-period-correct nVidia or 3dfx) is a better option.

AWE64:
+ built-in AWE MIDI music
+ decently quiet cards, in particular the Gold version - but how good depends on how much RAM on card
- Creative CQM instead of OPL3, FM sounds bad
- slowdown bugs when playing MIDI at same time as high-quality audio

A good 8330 card (like the MK8330) with external MIDI wipes the floor with AWE64, without any other stuff, the AWE64 is better for very late DOS stuff with native AWE support, the 8330 better for earlier things needing good FM.

actually i dont care much about awe64 or sound card anymore
after i got Roland sc-55 i never go back to use soundcard as main sound
sc-55 is so much better than awe64 or cmi-8330 in everyway
right now i try to find MT-32 for old dos game and stop use soundcard completely

You will still need a sound card for digitized sounds.

Gmlb256 wrote on 2024-07-05, 14:44:

DataDragons wrote on 2024-07-05, 14:29:

actually i dont care much about awe64 or sound card anymore after i got Roland sc-55 i never go back to use soundcard as main […]
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dionb wrote on 2024-07-04, 19:45:

Define "better"? […]
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Define "better"?

CMI-8330:
+ real OPL3 core (or 1:1 clone)
+ no slowdown bugs
- no actual built-in MIDI, although also no MIDI bugs with external MIDI
- possibly more noise than a good card

In any event, if you want to run high-end games on this board, use an external VGA card. Which you use is less relevant, the important thing is that integrated VGA uses half the memory bandwidth, castrating the CPU. An external PCI card allows full bandwidth for CPU. For DOS, ATI isn't generally the best choice due to scrolling issues, usually Cirrus Logic or S3 (or non-period-correct nVidia or 3dfx) is a better option.

AWE64:
+ built-in AWE MIDI music
+ decently quiet cards, in particular the Gold version - but how good depends on how much RAM on card
- Creative CQM instead of OPL3, FM sounds bad
- slowdown bugs when playing MIDI at same time as high-quality audio

A good 8330 card (like the MK8330) with external MIDI wipes the floor with AWE64, without any other stuff, the AWE64 is better for very late DOS stuff with native AWE support, the 8330 better for earlier things needing good FM.

actually i dont care much about awe64 or sound card anymore
after i got Roland sc-55 i never go back to use soundcard as main sound
sc-55 is so much better than awe64 or cmi-8330 in everyway
right now i try to find MT-32 for old dos game and stop use soundcard completely

You will still need a sound card for digitized sounds.

Yeah just use as component right

It's not really possible to do away with a sound card completely. You'll need a sound card not only for digital sound effects, but some DOS games only support FM synthesis for sound effects and/or music.