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First post, by nsherin

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Hi,

I'm currently upgrading a retro PC I bought off eBay. Originally, it came with an IDE CD-RW drive and Compact Flash to IDE adapter for storage. I thought it would be fun to primarily use SCSI devices, as I always wanted high-end SCSI hard drives back in the day, but couldn't afford them.

I have some - very old experience with SCSI, which is limited to a basic AHA-2904 (I think) that used 50-pin SCSI connectors. I had a 2GB tape drive and CD-RW drive connected internally with a terminator attached and a Zip Plus connected externally - all long gone!

The retro PC is a dual Pentium II 233Mhz PC with the following specs:

2x Intel Pentoum 233Mhz CPUs
Tyan Tiger S1692D Intel i440 LX Chipset Motherboard
288MB of RAM
IDE CD-RW
Compact Flash to IDE adapter
Intel Pro 100 Network Card
SoundBlaster 16 Sound Card

SCSI configuration is as follows:

Adaptec AHA-2940UW SCSI Adapter
Seagate ST318406LW Ultra-260 SCSI Hard Drive - the specs from Segate mention Single-ended (SE) and low
voltage differential (LVD) 68-pin connector
HP SureStore DAT 40 Tape Drive - the specs mention LVD/SE Wide Ultra2 SCSI
SCSI cable with 5 connectors plus a terminator - this is marked Ultra-320

The SCSI IDs are set as follows:

Controller - ID: 7
Hard Drive: ID: 0
Tape Drive ID: 3 - Termination Power jumpered to ON

Now I know that using faster SCSI devices on a slower controller means that you're limited to the maximum speed of the controller, which would be 40/MB a second, but the issue is, no devices are detected by the controller.

When I power the machine on, I get the usual CTRL + A option to enter the controller BIOS. I then get two subsequent messages:

Termination not found
BIOS not installed

Booting up with no SCSI cable simply shouws the CTRL + A option plus BIOS not installed.

Here's what I've tried:

SCSI cable connected to card - Connector 1 connected to hard drive - Connector 2 connected to tape drive - Connector 3 Empty - Connector Empty - Terminator

SCSI cable connected to card - Connector 1 connected to hard drive - Connectors 2 - 4 Empty - Terminator

SCSI cable cconnected to card - Connectors 1 - 3 Empty - Connector 4 connected to hard drive - Terminator

SCSI cable connected to card - Connector 1 connected to tape drive - Connectors 2 - 4 Empty - Terminator

SCSI cable cconnected to card - Connectors 1 - 3 Empty - Connector 4 connected to tape drive - Terminator

Unfortunately, any of these combinations doesn't seem to result in getting any devices detected. Additionally, going into the controller BIOS and forcing a manual scan causes the scan to just sit there at Device 0, LUN 0. I have also reset the card back to default settings - this was the first thing I tried when no devices were beuing detected.

Any help or advice would be very much appreciated - to be fair, I'm really starting at the beginning again in terms of my SCSI knowledge, as it must be 20-odd years or more since I last used that technology. If there's anything I've missed off info wise, then please let me know - I've ttied to be as thorough as possible.

Many thanks in advance!

Reply 1 of 6, by auron

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the terminator needs to be multimode to work with an SE chain as well. if it lets you take off the lid you could check the IC datasheet to see whether it is, this is what i did with mine.

otherwise if you had an LVD-capable SCSI adapter, you could jumper the devices to LVD and see if the termination error is gone. it might be easier and cheaper to get another adapter than to find a compatible terminator actually...

Reply 2 of 6, by nsherin

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Thanks for the reply. It was easy to get the cover off. The chip is a Texas Instruments UCC561DP.

It doesn't mention SE in the spec sheet. Here's what it says:

Features:
- SCSISPI--2, SPI--3 and SPI--4 LVD SCSI 27-Line, Low-Voltage Differential Regulator - 2.7-Vto 5.25-V Operation
- Integrated Regulator Set for LVD SCSI
- Differential Failsafe Bias

Description:

The UCC561 low-voltage differential (LVD) regulator set is designed to provide the correct references voltages and bias currents for LVD termination resistor networks (475 , 121 , and 475 ). The device also provides a 1.3-V output for “diff sense” signaling. With theproperresistornetwork,theUCC561solutionmeets the common mode bias impedance, differential bias, and termination impedance requirements of SPI--2 (Ultra2), SPI--3 (Ultra3/Ultra160) and SPI--4 (Ultra320). The UCC561 is not intended for SPI--5 applications. This device incorporates into a single monolith, two sink/source reference voltage regulators, a 1.3-V buffered output and protection features. The protection features include thermal shutdown and active current-limiting circuitry. The UCC561 is offered in 16-pin SOIC (DP) package.

Reply 3 of 6, by nsherin

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Found a cable on tbe bay with the description:

New and unused 1.2m SCSI Ultra2-LVD/SE 4 device + terminator ribbon cable p/n 498583-00 68 pin

Picture of the terminator shows LVD SE on the casing.

Do you reckon that will work. Also could I use 68 pin to 50 pun adapters on the cable for say a CD-RW drive?

Many thanks.

Reply 4 of 6, by auron

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that cable would work, yeah. i've never adapted 68-pin cables to 50-pin but from what i understand it should always work when the terminator is at the cable end. the adapter apparently just blocks the high byte but doesn't terminate it. from what i understand, high byte termination is only needed when you end the chain with the adapted 50-pin device and also use internal termination on that device.

i'm actually not sure why someone would do this in the first place if you could just end with a 68-pin device instead. really, high byte termination with these adapters is mentioned quite a bit in SCSI literature for what seems to be a weird setup. the most practical application i can think of is if you solely wanted to run some 50-pin optical drive but your controller only had a 68-pin connector. but then i would think that setting the bus width to 8-bit should be enough...

the ideal setup though would be to get a 2940u2w or 19160/29160 which allow you to use LVD and SE on the same card, not that you would really notice a difference on such a system of course.

Reply 5 of 6, by nsherin

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Thanks Auron. Cable ordered, so fingers crossed. The tape drive, being 68-pin would be at the end of the chain, with any 50 pin device sitting before, if I do decide to add a SCSI optical drive.

Reply 6 of 6, by nsherin

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The cable arrived this afternoon - much quicker thsn I thought. Got the controller and the two drives cabled up tonight. Powered up and success - all devices correctly detected!

Thanks again for your help.