PFF!! HAVE YOU SET THE ‘SET BLASTER’ COMMAND???!!

See this website for additional information: https://retronn.de/imports/soundblaster_config_guide.html . If I remember correctly later versions of Quake (1.08) have issues when this is not set/configured.

yes, v1.08 is the no soundcard=getacrash version (ships with the mission packs and digital rereleases). Fix your sound initialization, or start with -nosound, or roll back to v1.06 (installing quake shareware over registered works fine. By the way there's some audio spatialization differences in earlier versions prior to v1.07)

I just happened to find a shareware 1.06 Quake cd at the local bookstore just when you said about installing it over top of registered. Gave me a write error when I tried it though. I don't know why. I have hard disk space to spare. I tried starting with nosound but the same problem as before happened.

I did a fresh install from the shareware cd and even THAT isn't working!

Tried starting in ms-dos safe mode with no drivers loaded? Some of the "advice" from the other thread could be interfering.

How do you load dos safe mode?

Okay I booted dos with nothing in the config.sys or the autoexec and the problem PERSISTS. And I've discovered that it isn't a shareware cd; it's the full thing and even that doesn't work on its own. It's always the same error message. Is there anything I can do? This game worked a few days ago!

Cursed Derp wrote on 2024-07-07, 21:02:

This game worked a few days ago!

So what have you changed or adjusted in the past few days?

And for a Pentium 3 1GHz computer I'd suggest you run GLQuake instead of the "vanilla" DOS-based Quake instead. I have the exact same retail version of Quake as yours, patched to 1.09 / GLQuake 0.98, running on a P3-800 with 256MB RAM and Radeon 9000 Pro under Win98SE.

dormcat wrote on 2024-07-07, 21:53:

So what have you changed or adjusted in the past few days?

I provided changes to CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT on another thread created by the OP, so that Pentium III computer could get more conventional memory available.

However, those changes caused Duke Nukem 3D to stop working. The OP was suggested to replace EMM386 with QEMM in a botched attempt to get more UMB, it made the game run without hanging but reduced the amount of free conventional memory and brought new issues.

Gmlb256 wrote on 2024-07-08, 01:28:

dormcat wrote on 2024-07-07, 21:53:

So what have you changed or adjusted in the past few days?

I provided changes to CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT on another thread created by the OP, so that Pentium III computer could get more conventional memory available.

However, those changes caused Duke Nukem 3D to stop working. The OP was suggested to replace EMM386 with QEMM in a botched attempt to get more UMB, it made the game run without hanging but reduced the amount of free conventional memory and brought new issues.

So can I change my memory setup to work for Duke and Quake?

Is there any memory setup that will work for everything?

Probably not. 🙁 On my Win98SE tower at my mother's house, I can't get the sound card in DOS mode or UMBs or EMS in Windows mode. Also, the DOS USB driver I have doesn't like QEMM or EMS. You might be better off using DOSBox for DOS programs. I have yet to test it out on Win98SE, so I don't know how well it will work there, but try it out. 😀

DOSBox won't run fast enough on my pc. Source ports are not an option. Is there any way to unload Qemm and use emm386 instead? Would I just change the autoexec and config.sys?

You can't unload either EMS manager. 🙁 You have to start the computer with the memory manager. Try running QEMM's MANIFEST program to see what memory areas in the area C000-FFFF might be unused and try adding some of those ranges to EMM386's command line. I found 64k unused that way, but only 32k of it worked. 🙁

Cursed Derp wrote on 2024-07-08, 11:43:

Gmlb256 wrote on 2024-07-08, 01:28:

dormcat wrote on 2024-07-07, 21:53:

So what have you changed or adjusted in the past few days?

I provided changes to CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT on another thread created by the OP, so that Pentium III computer could get more conventional memory available.

However, those changes caused Duke Nukem 3D to stop working. The OP was suggested to replace EMM386 with QEMM in a botched attempt to get more UMB, it made the game run without hanging but reduced the amount of free conventional memory and brought new issues.

So can I change my memory setup to work for Duke and Quake?

I think that the best solution in this situation of yours would be using two different menus for DOS, one specifically to handle Duke Nukem 3D and the other one with EMM386 that worked with most games.

Sounds great. I'll see if I can make it happen

I tried running Quake after selecting the Extended memory boot option (the second one). It runs but without sound. The sound drivers won't load because emm386 won't load. Is there a way to get emm386 loaded under this boot enviroment?

Add the following after HIMEM.SYS line in XMC (and/or XM) section in CONFIG.SYS:

1DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE I=B000-B7FF HIGHSCAN RAM

It would make sense to rename those "Extended memory" options to something like "Expanded memory (EMM386)".

Gmlb256 wrote on 2024-07-08, 16:47:

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1DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE I=B000-B7FF HIGHSCAN RAM

It would make sense to rename those "Extended memory" options to something like "Expanded memory (EMM386)".

Thanks! It works for Duke 3d and Quake! Thank all of ye for your help!