As far as I remember, they are not really native on those, separate chip, need drivers, probably not much better than using a PCI SATA card.

BitWrangler wrote on 2024-07-20, 02:19:

As far as I remember, they are not really native on those, separate chip, need drivers, probably not much better than using a PCI SATA card.

Correct. The SATA ports on my NF7-S 2.0 (MCP-T) require a driver to be installed with the OS when installing Windows XP, and there is a separate BIOS that runs for the SATA controller (Silicon Image
Sil3112). That said, it works perfectly fine once installed.

zuldan wrote on 2024-07-19, 05:36:

This little beauty arrived today. It's going in my Windows 98 beast build with a AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ 3.1 Ghz. Thank you @TrashBytes for the advise.

ATI Radeon X850XT PE. I think it's the retail version and not the OEM.

Aw man, so......... this is the X850XTPE I was trying to get on ebay a few weeks back 😁 So funny. Was the seller italian? 😁

dionb wrote on 2024-07-19, 22:44:

Nice!
Do yo by any chance have a good search term for cases/enclosures for this kind of stuff? I also have some PC/104 boards that are just dying for a simple, small case, but "PC104 case" or "PC/104 enclosure" or other combinations don't find me anything useful...

No, I do not have case that is small enough for board like this, but I plan to make one from wood. 3D print is another good idea, but I do not have a printer 😀

Wes1262 wrote on 2024-07-20, 08:30:

Aw man, so......... this is the X850XTPE I was trying to get on ebay a few weeks back 😁 So funny. Was the seller italian? 😁

This one was from a German seller a few weeks ago (auction). I did some benchmarking today. 370fps in Quake 3 🤣

zuldan wrote on 2024-07-20, 09:11:

Wes1262 wrote on 2024-07-20, 08:30:

Aw man, so......... this is the X850XTPE I was trying to get on ebay a few weeks back 😁 So funny. Was the seller italian? 😁

This one was from a German seller a few weeks ago (auction). I did some benchmarking today. 370fps in Quake 3 🤣

Right, right, german! aragon or something? sold for 130 ish. Gratz! I was trying to get it too. 130$ is great because they are super rare.

Wes1262 wrote on 2024-07-20, 09:28:

Right, right, german! aragon or something? sold for 130 ish. Gratz! I was trying to get it too. 130$ is great because they are super rare.

Yeah that’s him. I was pretty lucky. Really surprised it didn’t go for a lot more. I prefer the PCIE version because you can get much faster CPUs.

zuldan wrote on 2024-07-20, 10:12:

Yeah that’s him. I was pretty lucky. Really surprised it didn’t go for a lot more. I prefer the PCIE version because you can get much faster CPUs.

I mean... you can put that card into a brand new PC. Which kinda kills any "retro"-ness the card has. IMHO. And that's why I will cherish my AGP version of this card. 😀

Gravis gamepad first hand I’m happy with this controller it can plug and play on both dos and windows mode without install any drivers

luckybob wrote on 2024-07-20, 14:04:

zuldan wrote on 2024-07-20, 10:12:

Yeah that’s him. I was pretty lucky. Really surprised it didn’t go for a lot more. I prefer the PCIE version because you can get much faster CPUs.

I mean... you can put that card into a brand new PC. Which kinda kills any "retro"-ness the card has. IMHO. And that's why I will cherish my AGP version of this card. 😀

It’s just a fun Windows 98 machine I put together to experiment with and don’t think of it as part of my classic retro collection. Although, people put the 6800 Ultra PCIE into machines and call that retro. Both the 850XT and 6800 were released in the same year 😉

The benefit with the AGP version is you have a much better selection of compatible Windows 98 boards. It’s a mega rare card (and probably worth double what my card ). I don’t think I’ll ever have the opportunity to own one. I’m a bit jealous 😉

luckybob wrote on 2024-07-20, 14:04:

zuldan wrote on 2024-07-20, 10:12:

Yeah that’s him. I was pretty lucky. Really surprised it didn’t go for a lot more. I prefer the PCIE version because you can get much faster CPUs.

I mean... you can put that card into a brand new PC. Which kinda kills any "retro"-ness the card has. IMHO. And that's why I will cherish my AGP version of this card. 😀

Well technically the X850 is a native PCIe GPU, the AGP models are ... mutants. As for killing retro-ness .. well that can be said of a LOT of retro parts, if it can boot into Win7/10 then that also kills any retro-ness a part may have ..same principal right.

Still I'm not sure why anyone would ever want this card on a modern board let alone a modern OS, it runs in legacy mode at best which is totally useless for anything besides display output.

zuldan wrote on 2024-07-20, 16:53:

luckybob wrote on 2024-07-20, 14:04:

zuldan wrote on 2024-07-20, 10:12:

Yeah that’s him. I was pretty lucky. Really surprised it didn’t go for a lot more. I prefer the PCIE version because you can get much faster CPUs.

I mean... you can put that card into a brand new PC. Which kinda kills any "retro"-ness the card has. IMHO. And that's why I will cherish my AGP version of this card. 😀

It’s just a fun Windows 98 machine I put together to experiment with and don’t think of it as part of my classic retro collection. Although, people put the 6800 Ultra PCIE into machines and call that retro. Both the 850XT and 6800 were released in the same year 😉

The benefit with the AGP version is you have a much better selection of compatible Windows 98 boards. It’s a mega rare card (and probably worth double what my card ). I don’t think I’ll ever have the opportunity to own one. I’m a bit jealous 😉

I have the 6800 Ultra AGP card .. its a freaking beast but ... any game that could take full advantage of that card will get hamstrung by things not related to the GPU itself .. namely the CPU and the system bus speed, same applies to the X850 XT PE. This is why the AGP models are double edged cards .. Phenomenal Cosmic Power–Itty-bitty Living Space kinda situation.

The PCIe models dont suffer from this issue due to the wider range of hardware you can throw them into, even Win 98 set-ups with these PCI models run rings around the AGP versions, just something to consider before throwing a ton of cash at the AGP versions.

Though if you are like me .. buying them just to have them in the display cabinet while using the PCIe models is worth it if you can get a good deal.

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zuldan wrote on 2024-07-20, 16:53:

luckybob wrote on 2024-07-20, 14:04:

I mean... you can put that card into a brand new PC. Which kinda kills any "retro"-ness the card has. IMHO. And that's why I will cherish my AGP version of this card. 😀

It’s just a fun Windows 98 machine I put together to experiment with and don’t think of it as part of my classic retro collection. Although, people put the 6800 Ultra PCIE into machines and call that retro. Both the 850XT and 6800 were released in the same year 😉

The benefit with the AGP version is you have a much better selection of compatible Windows 98 boards. It’s a mega rare card (and probably worth double what my card ). I don’t think I’ll ever have the opportunity to own one. I’m a bit jealous 😉

I have the 6800 Ultra AGP card .. its a freaking beast but ... any game that could take full advantage of that card will get hamstrung by things not related to the GPU itself .. namely the CPU and the system bus speed, same applies to the X850 XT PE. This is why the AGP models are double edged cards .. Phenomenal Cosmic Power–Itty-bitty Living Space kinda situation.

The PCIe models dont suffer from this issue due to the wider range of hardware you can throw them into, even Win 98 set-ups with these PCI models run rings around the AGP versions, just something to consider before throwing a ton of cash at the AGP versions.

Though if you are like me .. buying them just to have them in the display cabinet while using the PCIe models is worth it if you can get a good deal.

Just curious, do you have links to any benchmarks showing this? I don't doubt that there are situations where the 6800 GT\Ultra and X850XT series is bottlenecked by CPU power, but I don't think that it was common enough or bad enough to limit the cards' usefulness at the time they were actually relevant in 2004. By late 2005 when the 7900GTX was out these cards were so massively outpaced by current generation cards that they could be classified as "mid range", and the CPUs that most enthusiasts were running then (socket 939) were common to both AGP and PCI-E systems.

In my main system back then I ran a 6800GT, 7900GTX, 7950GX2 and 8800GTX between launch-day for the 6800GT in early 2004 to the release of the 8800GTX in late 2006. I remember CPUs being a limiting factor in specific situations (mainly cities in Oblivion because of the crap game engine), but in most situations there was a *massive* night and day difference between, for example, the 7900GTX and the 8800GTX even with a socket 939 Athlon X2 4200+ on an Nforce 4 Ultra board. I didn't upgrade to a Core 2 Duo E6750 until July of 2007... and there was certainly a big improvement in CPU limited situations there(after overclocking), but we're talking about running an 8800GTX, which is 3-4x as fast as the 6800 GT\Ultra.

Again, not saying that there aren't situations where these 6800 and X850 series cards will work better on a more modern platform, but anything that most people would need to play in Windows 98 will already be insanely fast on a Geforce 6800GT + Athlon 64. Anything made after 2001 is probably best for an XP system where someone might as well just run some later card on a Sandy Bridge i7 or something.

For what it's worth, people can build whatever they want. Whether someone is building the best 2005 PCI-E system or the best 2005 AGP system is totally fine with me. 😁

Picked up this red hot 🔥 beast Ti4600 Golden Sample recently. Anyone know to get the three pin power connector to work?? The original cooler works just fine, but I'm not getting any power from the three pin connector. Maybe it's a software switch or something?

AGP4LIfe? wrote on 2024-07-21, 01:11:

Picked up this red hot 🔥 beast Ti4600 Golden Sample recently. Anyone know to get the three pin power connector to work?? The original cooler works just fine, but I'm not getting any power from the three pin connector. Maybe it's a software switch or something?

Very awesome. The Ti4600 is almost impossible to get these days. May I asked where you got it from?

Grabbed this today. How many CDROMs have a Turbo button 😉 https://youtu.be/TUdtqtIgzQ0?t=2350

I got these two as a gift, the speakers are Creative, theoretically if they work, they can be used on a PC with a sound card, I hope they don't have any big problems, usually after many years, there is the volume that is lacking, and the consequence is the volume audio difficult to adjust.
The other is a switch (HUB?), with the possibility of connecting 10 100 and even 1000 LANs, therefore almost all PCs, lack the power supply, but you can easily find one of the same voltage (5V), at the moment I won't be able to verify this, but maybe it could be useful if you wanted to connect more than one PC.

AGP4LIfe? wrote on 2024-07-21, 01:11:

Picked up this red hot 🔥 beast Ti4600 Golden Sample recently. Anyone know to get the three pin power connector to work?? The original cooler works just fine, but I'm not getting any power from the three pin connector. Maybe it's a software switch or something?

I don't think that P601 3-pin connector is actually a fan, from where the traces route off to: https://www.vgamuseum.info/index.php/cpu/item … eforce4-ti-4600
I think it's more likely to be coax TV-out or something like that...
*later*
Huh, did you know a full schematic for the NV25 P80 (Geforce 4 Ti4600) board is available online?

So it's actually the connector for the stereo vision goggles:

Double DVI. Interesting.

Veeb0rg wrote on 2024-07-19, 06:43:

PD2JK wrote on 2024-07-18, 09:37:

And about that, are those flathead screwdriver marks where the holder was? Ugh.. 🙁

Hope you get it running Veeb0rg !

Here are the other boards in that lot. I do plan on scavaging bits I need to get the SlotA board working from these boards. I'll pretest components as best I can and see what happens..
Allow me to open your eyes to the horrors I've seen..

Seems that left top one was mATX with Slot 1, very cool for a compact system, I'd use a modern desktop case for that.