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Win98 on T430s?

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First post, by Bergwacht

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Hi there!
I managed to install Windows 98 on the T430s.
Windows 98 runs pretty well, but with 16 colors, no sound and (surprisingly) I can't find any Windows 98 drivers for this notebook.
Is there another model in the Thinkpad series that used similar hardware, for which Windows 98 drivers exist?
I tried copying a hard drive with WIn98 from a T42, but that doesn't work.

If anyone has an idea, please let me know.
I know what I'm trying to do is pointless, but a functioning Windows 98 alongside a current version of Windows on the same device? that would be cool just because it works^^

Reply 1 of 4, by Ryccardo

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I'm afraid you might have confused the T43 with the T430?
T2? - T3? - T40 - T41 - T42 - T43 - T60 - T61 - T400 - T410 - T420 - T430, almost a decade of difference and (even though much easier) running 98 even on the T43 was pushing it 😀
You should be able to use a generic VESA video driver (like Scitech Display Doctor), which will be quite better than the generic VGA driver that's installed by default, maybe a Synaptics driver will improve the trackpoint and touchpad, there seems to be a generic HD Audio driver I've never tried, there's Rudolph's AHCI driver, but I suspect pretty much everything else (the wifi card you probably have, bluetooth, accelerometer, ...) is not realistically usable on 98...

Reply 2 of 4, by Tiido

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You're not gonna get anywhere with this laptop as far as drivers go, it is made many years after 98SE support ended.

You're gonna have to look at early 2000s models and even then it might be a struggle to get things going, especially with video and WiFi since mobile versions often had no 9x drivers and with WiFi you're limited to only few chipsets that do have 98 drivers and if you're really lucky you might get WPA2 support too. I could get 98SE run on a HP NX6125 (2005ish) and even then I had to do some driver hacks and even hardware hacks to use a WiFi card that wasn't rejected by the BIOS.

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Reply 3 of 4, by Bergwacht

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Ryccardo wrote on 2024-08-15, 20:35:

I'm afraid you might have confused the T43 with the T430?
T2? - T3? - T40 - T41 - T42 - T43 - T60 - T61 - T400 - T410 - T420 - T430, almost a decade of difference and (even though much easier) running 98 even on the T43 was pushing it 😀
You should be able to use a generic VESA video driver (like Scitech Display Doctor), which will be quite better than the generic VGA driver that's installed by default, maybe a Synaptics driver will improve the trackpoint and touchpad, there seems to be a generic HD Audio driver I've never tried, there's Rudolph's AHCI driver, but I suspect pretty much everything else (the wifi card you probably have, bluetooth, accelerometer, ...) is not realistically usable on 98...

So i have to try a few generic vesa drivers, okay, that helps me a lot, I didn't even know there were any. I thought every model needed its own. Unfortunately, even with these unknown device identifier programs, everything is unknown.
The touchpad works great in Win 98, by the way, I only need audio and video. It's a real shame that SDI doesn't work on Win 98, that usually solves all driver problems.

Tiido wrote on 2024-08-15, 20:39:

You're not gonna get anywhere with this laptop as far as drivers go, it is made many years after 98SE support ended. You're gonna have to look at early 2000s models and even then it might be a struggle to get things going, especially with video and WiFi since mobile versions often had no 9x drivers and with WiFi you're limited to only few chipsets that do have 98 drivers and if you're really lucky you might get WPA2 support too. I could get 98SE run on a HP NX6125 (2005ish) and even then I had to do some driver hacks and even hardware hacks to use a WiFi card that wasn't rejected by the BIOS.

After weeks of experimenting, a driver worked on the T42 that could even do WPA2 under Win98. However, I don't even know exactly which of the 5 WiFi/UMTS/WAN?!? cards it was. The thing had so many cards that I never got a handle on them. Of course, you can't do anything with the old Bluetooth and the other stuff anymore, even Windows 7 no longer recognizes the protocol of my current BT earbuds. Windows 98 on the T430s is a special attraction for me because my T430s is my daily driver with Win10, XP32, EndeavourOS and Freedos (and now a useless Win98) installed.
It could just be the perfect device for everything 😁
What a monster <3

Reply 4 of 4, by dormcat

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Detailed specs of T430s sub-models might differ, but all of them were based on Intel QM77 chipset and Core i5-3xx0M CPU, both of Q2 2012 vintage. For the record, Microsoft ended Win98SE support in Q3 2006. It was not practical for manufacturers of integrated peripherals to provide Win98SE drivers for a 2012 build.

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