Ozzuneoj wrote on 2024-08-14, 04:26:First off... am I reading it right that you have *three* Pentium III 1Ghz Slot 1 CPUs with 100Mhz FSB? If so, those are easily w […]
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First off... am I reading it right that you have *three* Pentium III 1Ghz Slot 1 CPUs with 100Mhz FSB? If so, those are easily worth several hundred dollars each these days. They are very rare CPUs, and the fastest you can put into a 440BX board without overclocking the FSB or using Slotkets. A 1.1Ghz 100fsb Socket 370 chip exists of course, but those are also extremely rare.
If the MS-6156 doesn't have leaking or swollen caps it is probably fine to use for one of those P3 1000s, unless there is some BIOS limitation. I would couple it with the Geforce 2 Ultra for a really beefy, yet period correct, Windows 98SE system.
I had a Geforce 2 GTS 32MB paired with an Athlon Slot A 750Mhz back in 2000, so you are on the right track combining cards like that.
As for the Athlon XP system, it really depends on what model (and core) it is, but it should have a faster video card than the ones you have listed. Something like a Geforce 4 Ti series, Geforce FX 5600 Ultra (or better...), or Radeon 9500\9600\9700\9800. Beware of stripped down models of the FX and Radeon 9xxx series. Avoid anything that says "SE", and don't bother with an FX 5200, 5500 or even a 5600 that isn't an Ultra.
The Rage 128 and Matrox G400 (is it a G400 Max with a fan?) cards would be interesting to play with of course, but they only offer a fraction of the performance of the Geforce 2 cards, so really aren't suitable for anything more than a Pentium II, Pentium MMX or K6-2 in my opinion.
Hope that helps though. Also, if the boss says you have to give away your collection of rare P3 1Ghz 100Mhz FSB CPUs, I could probably look after one for you. You know, like adopting someone's old dog they can no longer care for... 😊
I may actually have four of these CPUs as I've just found my p2-400 in my components box. There's definitely a cpu in that RM Nimbus machine so it'll be the 1000 there too. I think there may be one or more UK posters in here, for anyone who was at school in the late 90s / early noughties they'll know the machine I mean. I'll try and attach a photo of this below, please note at this point it had spent no time sunbathing to reduce the yellow! I need to do more of that this year, or invest in UV lamps to take care of all the beige machines I have:
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Back to the Pentium three CPUs - here are three of them having a little reunion on the QDI board!
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Whilst I don't have a 1.1 Ghz Pentium 3 with 100 fsb, I do have a celeron 1.1 socket 370 with 100 fsb - I'd intended to try overclocking this at some point but don't want to hurt it if it's remotely rare or endangered!
Back when I had my pc in those years, I had a p3 500e in a slocket on a QDI board. It used to eclipse my friends machine which had the older Katmai based P3 by a reasonable amount!
The Medion machine has an Athlon xp 3000+ with 512mb of DDR memory. The graphics card currently in this is the laughable Geforce FX 5200 which I absolutely need to replace.I need to check this, but I have a 5900 series card that was flashed to an ultra by a friend - I could be spouting here as it's from memory but it's definitely a flashed card - would this be appropriate for the XP machine if so? I have some later AMD cards also (well they're badged ATI but...) but would need to look to see what they are.
Unfortunately I don't have the G400 Max, back in 2000 I had the G400 which was okay until you looked at blood textures in half-life and then it slowed to a crawl! Would love to have a max but the few that I've seen come up are very expensive.
Thank you so much for your advice.
chinny22 wrote on 2024-08-14, 06:22:Agree with Ozzuneoj
All 3 motherboards are based on the BX chipset which is what you want and all will perform about the same I […]
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Agree with Ozzuneoj
All 3 motherboards are based on the BX chipset which is what you want and all will perform about the same I don't see a need to go and buy a different motherboard.
I'd use whichever you prefer.
Even the one lacking AGP isn't terrible if paired with say a Voodoo 3 PCI
Again, I don't see much point spending more money if you're wanting to stay period correct.
The GF2's are a good match, other cards are older and a big bottleneck.
Last decision is a hard one,
keep the boss happy and get rid of the P3's -which are worth a fair bit
or keep the P3's and get rid of the boss -which cost us a fair bit 😉
I'd use the one lacking AGP if voodoo 2 or the pci 3's came up at a reasonable price but they just don't seem to! I had a V5 that I'd won on ebay some years ago, had a not for resale sticker on that so I'm unsure if it was a review unit originally. Unfortunately I let a friend use this card, and some years later he passed away so the card could be anywhere but I'd like to think he took it with him! The boss woman told me the other day and i quote "It's just a workhorse" when I asked her why she'd been kissing up to hedgerows down the passenger side of her car. I'd sooner get rid of the boss, keep that car and my computer stuff but it's not really allowed! 😀 Thank you for your reply.
ChrisK wrote on 2024-08-14, 06:42:
Absolutely nothing to add.
And that thing with the P3s: Unless you need the money you should keep them (or at least two, that's what I'd do). They are small and can be hidden easily. Even in a pair of socks...
A pair of socks is not a bad call but I'm not sure the cpu would thank me for that one! I don't need money, don't get me wrong I could use money but don't currently need it per se. I feel greedy for holding onto them honestly but they are the cpu i dreamt of having back in my teenage years...... that theme happens a lot with me, is it the same for any of you guys? I couldn't have x,y and z back then, so I'll have it now? That train of thought is why I have a 386 RM Nimbus laptop too, which is of no use to me at all! Thank you for your reply 😀
H3nrik V! wrote on 2024-08-14, 07:37:I think you should listen to boss lady and hand off one of the 1GHz CPUs to me; I'll cover the shipping, so you won't have any expenses 🤣
Here's a much better idea, I ship you the boss lady, and then I can keep all my old retro stuff and never hear anyone moan again? 😀 Thank you for the reply! 😀
GemCookie wrote on 2024-08-14, 07:54:The GeForce 2 Ultra would be a good choice – it was top-of-the-line in 2000, just like the 1 GHz (Slot 1!) Pentium III. The Matrox G400 is also worth considering if you plan on running Windows 3.1/NT 3.51.
The G400 I actually managed to recover from what one article I read, referred to as bitrot. The card wouldn't function properly, so I made a recovery floppy which reflashed the bios and the card came back to life. The performance of these as you allude to is more suited for a image quality perspective rather than outright performance. So far I think the general consensus is the GF2 card with a p3 cpu and the 5900 Ultra (maybe?!!) with the XP 3000 system. Thank you for your reply.
dionb wrote on 2024-08-14, 11:12:I certainly wouldn't qualify a flagship QDI board like this as "budget". They didn't go down the OC settings route like Abit and Asus, but they were famed for high build quality and good B2B support. I'd not soon call anything else 'better', this board should be on par with say an Asus P3B-F or a Gigabyte GA-BX2000, and its build quality will be higher than a contemporary Abit BF6 or similar.
That Brillianx 1S/2000 would be the obvious one to base a build like this on. Pair it with a P3-1000 and a Gf2GTS or Ultra and you'd have the perfect mid 2000 build people lusted after but could not afford. Of course in retrospect there's no need to go for max performance, particularly not if you already have an AthlonXP buid. In that case the motherboard and CPU can still stay the same but you could pair it with the G400 (for EMBM and great image quality at insane resolutions) or the Rage 128 Ultra (for well... reminding us of why we were so relieved when the Radeon at last turned up).
I had a QDI board back then, I used to have a saturday job in the local computer place and was always paid in parts rather than money! They're definitely a quality board and were sold by the supplier used back then as such. Something that worked well but didn't have all the whistles and bells. I consider them similar to the intel SE slot boards of the era, though I don't know for certain which are better! Thank you for putting me off or pushing me away from the Abit board, they go for a lot of money unless you take a gamble on a faulty one and I certainly never had one back then. The rage 128 were..... somewhat lacking weren't they! I still have fond memories of the G400 tech demo which at the time, did look amazing. Highly recommend anyone interested to take a look at a video of that, or play with the config to get it to run on more modern hardware. Thank you for your reply.
Grem Five wrote on 2024-08-14, 16:45:Ozzuneoj wrote on 2024-08-14, 04:26:
First off... am I reading it right that you have *three* Pentium III 1Ghz Slot 1 CPUs with 100Mhz FSB? If so, those are easily worth several hundred dollars each these days. They are very rare CPUs, and the fastest you can put into a 440BX board without overclocking the FSB or using Slotkets. A 1.1Ghz 100fsb Socket 370 chip exists of course, but those are also extremely rare.
Thermalwrong wrote on 2024-08-15, 00:51:With the MS-6156 motherboard, look at the chip by the big copper coil (inductor) around the CPU, if it says "SC1152CSW" then it' […]
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With the MS-6156 motherboard, look at the chip by the big copper coil (inductor) around the CPU, if it says "SC1152CSW" then it's not going to support the lower voltages of coppermines. It might not start with a Pentium 3 1000MHz because the 1.75v option isn't there, or it could run a completely incorrect voltage including higher ones.
If it's SC1153CSW then you're safe to run coppermine CPUs on it, as far as I'm aware, since that supports all the VID options for coppermine CPUs.
Bits und Bolts has a great video on the topic with a different motherboard but same problem. See the latter half of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbM-yCnkh8M
Also in my experience with these boards (ms6156, ms6168 same VRM) , the VRM isn't too powerful on them and that usually leads to the capacitors bulging. It might need re-capping to run a powerful CPU.
Your MS-BX7 motherboard might be the MS-6147? Same VRM there too with the same warning regarding the VRM's SC1152/3CSW control chip
Going for period correct for the time, Micro ATX was consigned to low power pre-built systems only and you wouldn't see a top end cpu like a 1GHz (100mhz) for another year or so when the 133mhz socket 370 versions started appearing everywhere with the i810 & i815 chipsets.
The QDI board is quite correct for the time period 😀 Looking at that one close up the capacitor situation looks better and if it's got the CS5165 control chip by the copper inductor that the pictures I can find of it show, then that should support the 1GHz 100FSB coppermine without issue.
<sigh> Sign of the times, about 4-5 years ago it was quite common to find 1.0 Ghz 100 Mhz processors for sale for around $15-20. It's not that they are rare its just they are all been spoken for.
Ozzuneoj wrote on 2024-08-14, 19:01:1Ghz 100Mhz FSB Slot 1 Pentium III processors have never been common. […]
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Grem Five wrote on 2024-08-14, 16:45:
<sigh> Sign of the times, about 4-5 years ago it was quite common to find 1.0 Ghz 100 Mhz processors for sale for around $15-20. It's not that they are rare its just they are all been spoken for.
1Ghz 100Mhz FSB Slot 1 Pentium III processors have never been common.
Coincidentally, there is a post here from about 5 years ago about this exact topic:
Pentium III 1000mhz 100mhz FSB, Slot 1. How rare?
If you're talking about the Socket 370 ones, then yeah, they used to be more affordable than they are now, but it wasn't an every-day thing to find them for $15-$20 5 years ago, otherwise I would have multiple right now. I currently have zero. 😜
I found a forum post from another site where someone mentioned the SL5QV chips going for $30+ on ebay all the way back in 2011.
Thank you for the link to that thread, I'll take a look when it's not the witching hours here, should be asleep now but realised you guys had all replied and as I didn't get notifications I didn't want to come across as rude with the effort you've all put in! I have three originally retail boxed processors, and one that came without a heatsink and fan ( [url]Whilst I don't have a 1.1 Ghz Pentium 3 with 100 fsb, I do have a celeron 1.1 socket 370 with 100 fsb - I'd intended to try overclocking this at some point but don't want to hurt it if it's remotely rare or endangered!
Back when I had my pc in those years, I had a p3 500e in a slocket on a QDI board. It used to eclipse my friends machine which had the older Katmai based P3 by a reasonable amount!
The Medion machine has an Athlon xp 3000+ with 512mb of DDR memory. The graphics card currently in this is the laughable Geforce FX 5200 which I absolutely need to replace.I need to check this, but I have a 5900 series card that was flashed to an ultra by a friend - I could be spouting here as it's from memory but it's definitely a flashed card - would this be appropriate for the XP machine if so? I have some later AMD cards also (well they're badged ATI but...) but would need to look to see what they are.
Unfortunately I don't have the G400 Max, back in 2000 I had the G400 which was okay until you looked at blood textures in half-life and then it slowed to a crawl! Would love to have a max but the few that I've seen come up are very expensive. Thank you for your replies 😀
Thermalwrong wrote on 2024-08-15, 00:51:With the MS-6156 motherboard, look at the chip by the big copper coil (inductor) around the CPU, if it says "SC1152CSW" then it' […]
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With the MS-6156 motherboard, look at the chip by the big copper coil (inductor) around the CPU, if it says "SC1152CSW" then it's not going to support the lower voltages of coppermines. It might not start with a Pentium 3 1000MHz because the 1.75v option isn't there, or it could run a completely incorrect voltage including higher ones.
If it's SC1153CSW then you're safe to run coppermine CPUs on it, as far as I'm aware, since that supports all the VID options for coppermine CPUs.
Bits und Bolts has a great video on the topic with a different motherboard but same problem. See the latter half of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbM-yCnkh8M
Also in my experience with these boards (ms6156, ms6168 same VRM) , the VRM isn't too powerful on them and that usually leads to the capacitors bulging. It might need re-capping to run a powerful CPU.
Your MS-BX7 motherboard might be the MS-6147? Same VRM there too with the same warning regarding the VRM's SC1152/3CSW control chip
Going for period correct for the time, Micro ATX was consigned to low power pre-built systems only and you wouldn't see a top end cpu like a 1GHz (100mhz) for another year or so when the 133mhz socket 370 versions started appearing everywhere with the i810 & i815 chipsets.
The QDI board is quite correct for the time period 😀 Looking at that one close up the capacitor situation looks better and if it's got the CS5165 control chip by the copper inductor that the pictures I can find of it show, then that should support the 1GHz 100FSB coppermine without issue.
Your knowledge of voltage controllers and other ICs is commendable! I've taken a look at the MSI board that I have up here which has the AGP slot, this has the following controller
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I believe from this and a quick google, this will only support the Pentium two and perhaps the early katmai based Pentium 3 cpus? I don't want to try a cpu in that board for fear of it frying one of the processors in the process. They currently all work and I'd like to keep them that way too 😀 Thank you so much for your pointers with regards to this chip. Thank you for the link to the video, I will watch this in the daylight hours tomorrow - I'd love to increase my understanding of this aspect of retro computing. When I dabble in socket 7 I think this might be invaluable there too!
I think you're right on the MS-6147, this board is in the Tiny machine downstairs, I'll take a look at this in the morning and post back but I suspect it has the same issue as the board up here! So far, every board I have except for an intel 478 board the capacitors look okay, though I hear you on the components potentially not being great and I'd certainly be keen to recap for preservation of the pieces worth saving!
The QDI board has I believe, the chip that you refer to above for coppermine support, pictured below -
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I believe back in 2000, I ran my qdi board with 112fsb which gave me 560Mhz from my P3 500e. I'm not sure whether it was a chipset limitation, or an issue with the dividers available for the agp/pci causing problems at a fsb higher than that. It's almost tempting to try and edit the bios to enable disabled features but the risk of damage is too high!
I'll try and get a picture of the other cases tomorrow but for now, the period correct board for this case below is probably the NF7 that I have, with a 2500xp-m cpu but I'm open to ideas if anyone has any more 😀 The only thing I don't like with the QDI board is the ATA 33 limitation. Whilst I want period correct, the SD to IDE adapter isn't period correct, and as such I'd really like to extract the best performance from that if possible!
Thank you all for the responses, genuinely humbled that you've taken the time to offer your thoughts and appreciative of that fact 😀 The boards are yet to visit the isopropyl bath so excuse the dust etc!
