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First post, by GooseNipples

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Good morning,

Here is what I have:

I/O Card:
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Jumpers (I left them set to how they were when it showed up in the mail. I have no idea what to set them to)

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IDE Pin 1 location

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FDD Pin 1 location

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IDE Cable best-guess orientation (Pink strip is pin 1 right?)

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FDD cable best-guess orientation (pink strip is pin 1 right?)

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386 info

Model: ISA-386U3

So my last job was for one of the major power plant maintenance companies, and one of the greybeards there took a shine to me (I'm IT) and I had long admired this crusty 386 board that had been used in some old power plant control system that he had sitting on one of his office shelves. Sadly the barrel battery had exploded and leaked all over the traces and ISA slots. When he retired, I found it sitting on my desk. I took it home and removed the exploded battery, and then cleaned up as much of the blue-ed copper as I could with alcohol and a toothbrush. One of the ISA slots is still pretty blue. I blew out or scrubbed everything I could reach, but I did not have high hopes for it. To my surprise, it fired right up. I hooked up a Trident TVGA 8900D and confirmed it had video out. I maxed out the memory and added a math coprocessor because reasons. It recognized the RAM. I haven't gotten as far as checking whether or not the coprocessor works yet. I had an I/O card laying around (which is now in my 486, working well with an IDE to CF in a PCI slot) which I was not able to make work with this machine - I tried all sorts of different adapters, etc, to no avail. I'm sure the jumpers were wrong or something, or i could be something else. I let the machine sit for.....probably close to a year now and noted that I/O controllers are starting to get rarer and pricier out in ebayland, so I bought another one to try to make work with this machine. I played with it with all my different IDE to whatever adapters and such last night for a little while and was not able to make it work. I resigned myself to taking lots of pictures and try to be as detailed as I can here on Vogons in the hopes that you kind folks would be able to help me make this thing work. I have another 386 board, but it's only a 386 20MHz, and the chip is soldered onto the board. I really really want to play OG Wing Commander 1 on this machine, plus whatever else I can scrounge up. I am also pretty sure that any of the changes that I make in the BIOS aren't being saved because there is no battery. So presumably I need to hook up a battery to it before I can do anything?

Board:

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Battery area:

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Damaged ISA slot (Still works though)

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External Battery that I need to figure out how to hook up:

(I also have a handful of those little 3xAAA battery holders somewhere that I couldn't find to take a picture of)

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Various storage media options:

I would prefer to use either the IDE to CF or the disk on modules, though I'm not sure my kludged together daisychain of adapters is going to work for those

IDE to CF

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IDE to CF jumpers area

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Other options

The IDE to SATA would be probably my last choice

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DoM kludge

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laptop IDE male to male adapter (IDE Cable -> Full size IDE to laptop IDE adapter -> male to male laptop IDE -> DoM. Would this even work?)

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DoM pinout

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BIOS:

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Type all this in on (almost every) boot

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Save to CMOS and Exit = Y

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SOMEHOW this past boot when I went down to take pictures of the BIOS screens just now.....it detected the floppy drive and MS-DOS diskette inside.....

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Did not boot successfully to it though

After a reboot

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What is my order of operations here?
Battery first?
Do I need to change any jumpers on the mainboard to boot from the I/O card?
Do I need to change jumpers on the I/O card?
Do I have the cables on the I/O card in the correct orientation?
Do I use option 32 for hard drive settings in the BIOS (128MB) for my CF card?
Is this all rather pointless because the board is damaged?

Reply 1 of 25, by myne

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https://fcc.report/FCC-ID/H8ZHED-82702/

https://picclick.com/Vintage-Retro-UMC-82C862 … 6641327626.html

Manual/jumper settings for a 16-bit ISA IO controller UMC UM82C862F for floppy drives?

https://theretroweb.com/expansioncards/s/aska … silverstar-2845

https://www.arvutimuuseum.ee/th99/c/A-B/21338.htm

That should get you started

Last edited by myne on 2024-10-01, 15:31. Edited 2 times in total.

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Reply 2 of 25, by GooseNipples

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Thanks for your assistance.
The third link is probably the most useful, though that is definitely a different jumper and board layout (I think with the one attempted FDD boot I can say that at least one of my jumpers is correct :p )
If anyone else has any input on the rest of my questions, I can build on the above
Thanks everyone

Reply 3 of 25, by GooseNipples

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Just noted your latest change @myne

Thank you so much for your assistance

Reply 4 of 25, by myne

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See latest. Found jumpers!

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Reply 5 of 25, by GooseNipples

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The revised 3rd entry confirmed the IDE ribbon cable orientation 😀
Latest entry - Phenomenal! Brilliant!
Exactly what I need

Glory to your house!

Reply 6 of 25, by myne

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Actually, last looks wrong.
Wrong board revision.

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Reply 7 of 25, by myne

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https://acceed.com/media/manual/manuals/pqi-dom-019.pdf

Dom chs settings

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Reply 8 of 25, by jmarsh

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Can you show a full picture of the floppy cable? I suspect you have the wrong end connected to the card, the twist should be between the two drive connectors (unless there is only one drive connector on the cable).

Reply 9 of 25, by GooseNipples

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@jmarsh
There are multiple connectors on the cable (3) so then I definitely have the wrong end plugged in. I will get a pic

Reply 10 of 25, by jmarsh

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It should go:
FDD connector on card <-- no twist --> middle connector/drive B <-- twist --> end connector/drive A.

Reply 11 of 25, by GooseNipples

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So, some progress: I changed the FDD cable around to the correct orientation. No dice. Put the last connector on the cable (the furthest away from the controller end) into the floppy drive instead of the first one, and now the FDD is detected every time and tries to boot (doesn't actually succeed though - I suspect my floppies are ass, or the drive head is super dirty or something) Depending on how motivated I am, I might try taking the GoTek out of my Pentium 1 233 build.... as that is a bulletproof solution. I will try other floppies first, then try swapping out the floppy drive for one of the other.....five..... I have laying around

Good news though: the cable is plugged in properly now, and at least some of the jumpers are correctly positioned.

I feel in my bones: "IDE interface enabled" is ON, but "hard drive is connected to IDE" is OFF....maybe....

Reply 12 of 25, by myne

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Check the Dom settings above ^

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Reply 13 of 25, by GooseNipples

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Though we already covered proper FDD cable orientation, I did promise a picture
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Reply 14 of 25, by GooseNipples

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@myne
I have the link for the DoM settings and I will review it.
Thank you very much for locating it.
Mostly I suspect my janky full IDE to laptop IDE to gender changer to DoM setup would be more at fault for any issues I have with it.
Ideally I'd like to use the IDE to CompactFlash adapter I have. 128MB. Easy to pull out and copy stuff off of/over to. Mounted via PCI so I can get at it without having to remove the case, etc

Reply 15 of 25, by GooseNipples

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More updates:

I was playing with some jumper settings and then went into the BIOS hdd cylinder, head, landing zone, etc settings and I was thinking about trying to run that utility that detect your cylinders, etc when I flipped over the IDE to CF adapter and....

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So I vaguely remember when I first fired this all up last night smelling a little bit of burnt plastic. I didn't think much of it at the time - old electronics sometimes smell like that. Verrrry stupid assumption, I know. I have a 286 laptop that smells like that on and off so I guess I thought I could ignore it. Stupid me. I've never smelled that with this machine so I should have known.

Well, super not keen to plug anything else into this controller card until somebody can reassure me that it's not going to eat something else.
That being said....I wouldn't think an I/O card would be dealing with power, just data back and forth, and certainly not very much if at all....

Thoughts anybody?

Thanks again, everyone. You really have been most helpful

Reply 16 of 25, by jmarsh

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That's not an IO pin, it's one of the power traces.
I hope you had the bracked properly installed in the machine and not lying down flat on a metal surface...

Reply 17 of 25, by GooseNipples

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@jmarsh
I had it lying on a plastic barrier all day today.....but it is entirely possible I did not have that in place last night.
I did have the thought that it may have come into contact with some metal at some point
(The metal case of the optical drive underneath it for example)

Boneheaded mistake

Fingers crossed that it didn't kill anything else

But it seems like it was from power and not the I/O card.....so I will see if I have something else lying around I can try to get fired up (hopefully not literally)

Reply 18 of 25, by myne

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Stick with the DOM until you have it working.

The DOM has its own power plug, right?
The ide part, even if bastardised is just a pin converter.

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Re: The thing no one asked for: KICAD 440bx reference schematic

Reply 19 of 25, by rasz_pl

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is CF card inserted right way around?

By the amount of green I wouldnt be surprised if you wont be able to make it boot due to malfunctioning DMA or IRQs for example.

https://github.com/raszpl/FIC-486-GAC-2-Cache-Module for AT&T Globalyst
https://github.com/raszpl/386RC-16 memory board
https://github.com/raszpl/440BX Reference Design adapted to Kicad
https://github.com/raszpl/Zenith_ZBIOS MFM-300 Monitor