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Reply 2100 of 2188, by Ozzuneoj

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H3nrik V! wrote on 2024-08-07, 22:15:

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Bought a GTX980Ti for my daily driver (i7 9700) to replace my GTX770. Reason? Getting 100,000 out of 3DMark2001. I was told that it IS highly cpu bound, but seriously?

Well, now I have to ask... what's the trick? Without doing any tweaking or anything I just ran it on my system and "only" got 82414, and that's on a Ryzen 7 5800X3D + GTX 3080. I'm thinking maybe it just massively favors Intel? I found a result someone posted with a score of around 167,000 using a 14900K.

It's funny to think about, but the entire program folder for 3dmark 2001SE would fit in the L3 cache on my CPU... 🤣

EDIT: Holy cow. I was looking at the more detailed results and I see ~1300fps in Nature. I remember the first time I saw that on a Ti 4400 I was blown away at the visual effects and the reasonably smooth frame rates.

Also the measured texel and polygon rates aren't exactly reliable, but it got me comparing the specs of the 3080 to my first 3D accelerator, the Voodoo 3 2000. Not even taking into account the fact that it is an infinitely more efficient architecture overall, the raw numbers (according to the specs) put the 3080 at 465GTexels/sec at boost clocks which is 1625 times the Voodoo 3 2000's texel throughput of 286MTexels/sec. 3dmark also benchmarks the polygon rate, in so in the 1-light test my 3080 managed 3382 M/Triangles/sec. The box for the Voodoo 3 2000 says ... 6... yep, 6 M/Triangles/sec. Roughly 563 times faster. I guess this is a respectable improvement for about 22 years of technological advancements. 😮

Now for some blitting from the back buffer.

Reply 2101 of 2188, by H3nrik V!

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Ozzuneoj wrote on 2024-08-09, 05:52:
Well, now I have to ask... what's the trick? Without doing any tweaking or anything I just ran it on my system and "only" got 82 […]
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H3nrik V! wrote on 2024-08-07, 22:15:

Modern or retro?

Bought a GTX980Ti for my daily driver (i7 9700) to replace my GTX770. Reason? Getting 100,000 out of 3DMark2001. I was told that it IS highly cpu bound, but seriously?

Well, now I have to ask... what's the trick? Without doing any tweaking or anything I just ran it on my system and "only" got 82414, and that's on a Ryzen 7 5800X3D + GTX 3080. I'm thinking maybe it just massively favors Intel? I found a result someone posted with a score of around 167,000 using a 14900K.

It's funny to think about, but the entire program folder for 3dmark 2001SE would fit in the L3 cache on my CPU... 🤣

EDIT: Holy cow. I was looking at the more detailed results and I see ~1300fps in Nature. I remember the first time I saw that on a Ti 4400 I was blown away at the visual effects and the reasonably smooth frame rates.

Also the measured texel and polygon rates aren't exactly reliable, but it got me comparing the specs of the 3080 to my first 3D accelerator, the Voodoo 3 2000. Not even taking into account the fact that it is an infinitely more efficient architecture overall, the raw numbers (according to the specs) put the 3080 at 465GTexels/sec at boost clocks which is 1625 times the Voodoo 3 2000's texel throughput of 286MTexels/sec. 3dmark also benchmarks the polygon rate, in so in the 1-light test my 3080 managed 3382 M/Triangles/sec. The box for the Voodoo 3 2000 says ... 6... yep, 6 M/Triangles/sec. Roughly 563 times faster. I guess this is a respectable improvement for about 22 years of technological advancements. 😮

Don't know if there's any trick, but I run on a Z-chipset motherboard so Intel's Extreme Tuning Utility allows me to adjust power limits even though it's not an unlocked CPU. And with the Noctua cooler I'm running, I've never seen above 80 degrees on any core when practically removing any power throttling, so I'm running on 45x on all 8 cores when all are active.

Love the point you make about being able to fit the entire folder in cache 🤣 let alone in VRAM 😎

If it's dual it's kind of cool ... 😎

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Reply 2102 of 2188, by Major Jackyl

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H3nrik V! wrote on 2024-08-07, 22:15:

Modern or retro?

Bought a GTX980Ti for my daily driver (i7 9700) to replace my GTX770. Reason? Getting 100,000 out of 3DMark2001. I was told that it IS highly cpu bound, but seriously?

Wow. I didn't think to even try running it on a modern computer until I saw that. Oh boy, 🤣
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This is upsetting after benching old computers all week. Love it

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Reply 2103 of 2188, by H3nrik V!

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Major Jackyl wrote on 2024-08-15, 05:03:
Wow. I didn't think to even try running it on a modern computer until I saw that. Oh boy, XD MSI_Z690 PRO Intel I9 12900K 64GB D […]
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H3nrik V! wrote on 2024-08-07, 22:15:

Modern or retro?

Bought a GTX980Ti for my daily driver (i7 9700) to replace my GTX770. Reason? Getting 100,000 out of 3DMark2001. I was told that it IS highly cpu bound, but seriously?

Wow. I didn't think to even try running it on a modern computer until I saw that. Oh boy, 🤣
MSI_Z690 PRO
Intel I9 12900K
64GB DDR5 "6000" @4800 (32-32-32-76)
MSI RTX 3090 Ventus
Sound Blaster AE-7
Samsung 990 PRO 1TB

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This is upsetting after benching old computers all week. Love it

Very nice!

That give me some guidelines to aim for with my daily rig 🤣

If it's dual it's kind of cool ... 😎

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Reply 2104 of 2188, by pete8475

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This is so silly.

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Reply 2105 of 2188, by RandomStranger

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Got a Garmin Instinct 2 Solar.

I used to use a Xiaomi Mi Band 3. It knew what it knew, lasted 2-3 weeks on a single charge, but mid July I lost it during hiking and I thought If I had to get a new one, why not an upgrade. The first watches I thought of were the smart G-Shocks, but they sucked for their asking price. My conditions were, at least 2 weeks on 1 charge, be rugged, good fitness functions, optionally be able to work with GadgetBridge.

Well I'm happy the Instinct 2 fits all the conditions, because the standard companion app is absolute garbage. It has absolute zero off-line functionality. You want to add a device? No-no. Change imperial metrics to metric? F*ck you! Rearrange menu items? Suck my d*ck! Not even the most basic function works that absolutely should not need internet connection. Luckily with GadgetBridge almost all of the functions work (once you set them up in Garmin Connect at least), but as long as the default companion app sucks this much, this doesn't worth MSRP $400. Not even $340 (what I paid for it).

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Reply 2106 of 2188, by Joakim

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I, the author of "reasons to hate modern games" upgraded my computer. Or rather replaced it all, because baldurs gate 3 was just running too slow. On my 3rd gen i5 with a gtx 1070.

I went the am5 platform, a 7600 and a 4070 Super.

Bg3 started to run like a clock but then I became tired of it. Maybe I'll finish it some other time, probably after installing a 'no shove' mode or something. I swear if I had a wireless keyboard it would have gone out the window at one point.

Reply 2107 of 2188, by luckybob

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Joakim wrote on 2024-08-31, 18:02:

Bg3 started to run like a clock but then I became tired of it. Maybe I'll finish it some other time, probably after installing a 'no shove' mode or something. I swear if I had a wireless keyboard it would have gone out the window at one point.

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You gotta be the one doing the shoving.

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It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.

Reply 2108 of 2188, by Intel486dx33

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Guys this Creative GC7 DAC Rocks !….
Gives you PC audio about a 15% Volume Boost too.
Great Clarity, Treble, Base and Vocals.
Has TOS-link too so you can connect to your AVR Receiver for 7.1 Surround sound.
Works with PC or Mac Plug and Play. Drivers load automatically.

Sounds so Good I use these on all my Desktop computers.
Takes your Speakers and Headphones to another Level.
Definitely Money well spent.
You wont be Disappointed.
Try this DAC with your Headphones….Wow.
I am using cheap “One Odio” headphones and this DAC makes them sound like $200 headphones.

I purchased mine NEW for about $70 each on eBay.
Some times they go onsale on creative refurbished website section for $70 too.

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Reply 2109 of 2188, by Intel486dx33

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“Take your PC Audio to another level”

The Best Value DAC for your computer is onsale $109
Works with PC and Mac.

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Reply 2110 of 2188, by H3nrik V!

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Bought an i7-9700K to replace the i7-9700 non-K in my daily driver ... yes, the mission is +100k in 3DMark 2001 🤣
I have a Noctua NH-D14 on it, and with all limits on power removed, it never goes above 80 deg C, so there's some headroom for a couple of hundred MHz

If it's dual it's kind of cool ... 😎

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Reply 2111 of 2188, by Hoping

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I bought a Fujitsu D3348-A23 NOS motherboard, added a Xeon E5 2697A v4 128 GB RAM and two 512gb NVME SSDs from Intel. Together with an RX6700 I already had, it's an interesting piece of equipment.
Before anyone wonders what happens with the power connections of that motherboard; it is a 12V only motherboard, but the adapter to use an ATX power supply is easy to make, although it took me quite some time to do it. I only need to make a backplate, this board comes from a Celsius M740B that doesn't use a backplate.
I already have two Fujitsu D3128-B25 and thanks to these motherboards I discovered that apart from the so famous military grade used for marketing, there is also medical grade in PC hardware.
UNE-EN 60601-1:2008 certification.
It is obvious that military grade is more talked about because off gaming and competitive FPS video games, but there are more things related to safety, stability and reliability that I didn't know about.
Anyone who looks at the Fujitsu motherboard, realizes that it is not built in a usual way, starting with the mosfets used in the VRM, the lack of a big heatsink and that it uses SMD polymers on the other side and a lot of MLCS.
You see considerably fewer radial capacitors than usual.

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Reply 2112 of 2188, by BitWrangler

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"Bin store" pickup, (returns lost freight etc) of a Gigabytch GA-F2A55M-DS2 Rev 3.0... BK whopper sammich kind of price.

I would not really be interested in FM2, but got an A6-6400K as 10% of an As-Is family variety assortment box the other day, so we'll see what happens.

Visually inspection shows it may have been run, there's a small scratch to a line on the PCIe 16x on the bottom, not sure if it goes through. On top the contacts in the PCIe 16x look a little strained, Gigabyte were getting a reputation for bad slots in the mid teens so maybe that prompted return. I am not sure I really care, the HD-8470 might be good enough for what I wanted. I am a little disappointed though because I had it in my head that A series 5x00 up had GCN vulkan capable graphics, whereas I see that with the 6400 and data from TPU it indicates Terascale 3. ... ah well. Anyhoo, not sure I will care much if that slot is out or only works at 4x or something. I have in mind a remedy for the weak contacts if required... solder bump the contacts on a GPU riser, force it in, never remove.

Not totally sure what use I might put this to, could be fast enough to take over from old barely takes a C2D dell lump as a utility box. Might see if it works as an XP gamer. Might be the project board for the "dollar store case" build I have in the back of my head.

Dollar store case proposal

Basically it goes, abuse rectangular section garbage can for main case/cover, abuse chopping boards for base plate and mobo plate, abuse letter rack and other mesh stationary caddies for drive frame etc, abuse whatever has button switches for case switches... you'd mount most to the chopping board base plate, have cover on it upside down, clamp down with screws into board and cable clamps, other mobo plate fixed at right angles, and drive cages bolted to inside of cover.

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Unicorn herding operations are proceeding, but all the totes of hens teeth and barrels of rocking horse poop give them plenty of hiding spots.

Reply 2113 of 2188, by Hoping

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BitWrangler wrote on 2024-10-13, 16:34:
"Bin store" pickup, (returns lost freight etc) of a Gigabytch GA-F2A55M-DS2 Rev 3.0... BK whopper sammich kind of price. […]
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"Bin store" pickup, (returns lost freight etc) of a Gigabytch GA-F2A55M-DS2 Rev 3.0... BK whopper sammich kind of price.

I would not really be interested in FM2, but got an A6-6400K as 10% of an As-Is family variety assortment box the other day, so we'll see what happens.

Visually inspection shows it may have been run, there's a small scratch to a line on the PCIe 16x on the bottom, not sure if it goes through. On top the contacts in the PCIe 16x look a little strained, Gigabyte were getting a reputation for bad slots in the mid teens so maybe that prompted return. I am not sure I really care, the HD-8470 might be good enough for what I wanted. I am a little disappointed though because I had it in my head that A series 5x00 up had GCN vulkan capable graphics, whereas I see that with the 6400 and data from TPU it indicates Terascale 3. ... ah well. Anyhoo, not sure I will care much if that slot is out or only works at 4x or something. I have in mind a remedy for the weak contacts if required... solder bump the contacts on a GPU riser, force it in, never remove.

Not totally sure what use I might put this to, could be fast enough to take over from old barely takes a C2D dell lump as a utility box. Might see if it works as an XP gamer. Might be the project board for the "dollar store case" build I have in the back of my head.

Dollar store case proposal

Basically it goes, abuse rectangular section garbage can for main case/cover, abuse chopping boards for base plate and mobo plate, abuse letter rack and other mesh stationary caddies for drive frame etc, abuse whatever has button switches for case switches... you'd mount most to the chopping board base plate, have cover on it upside down, clamp down with screws into board and cable clamps, other mobo plate fixed at right angles, and drive cages bolted to inside of cover.

I have two Asrock FM2+ motherboards very similar to that Gigabyte that I think work, but I don't have a processor and I don't know if they can really be useful today, but they are still very interesting to me because I like AMD APUs. Maybe they are interesting for Win XP, although I usually prefer Win 7 32 in these cases.

Reply 2114 of 2188, by BitWrangler

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I don't think the A4s and A6s are going for much money if you want a tester, but the decentish A8s and A10s seem to be holding up in price a bit, though you can get lucky.

I have halfassed tried the FM2 board today, was a bit of a low effort first go, so don't know if it will improve if I get "serious". Just plugged it to a 350W low end PSU grabbed a couple of different DIMMs, cooler that looked good enough for 65W and threw it together.... and no go, fan spins up, nothing on screen. Ohhhhkay. Stick the POST card in, it's stopping on C4, hmmm, change DIMM, still stopping on C4 but it's flashing me 84 like it's still trying...

Looked up the code and getting nothing definitive, some suggestions it's OEM specific, some suggestion it might be Boot Device Selection... hmmm no boot device, no selection I guess... also see some things saying it's anorthbridge fault, some things saying it's a RAM fault and some things saying it's a "too much overclock" fault... so yeah, all over the place..... buuut, this has mem controller and such in APU, so not sure if APU good. However, also don't have it on a super good PSU and overstrained or flaky power faults are much like overclocking faults. Also there was a smudge of thermal compound on the socket, and didn't even blow out the DIMM sockets, so yah, a ton of things to try, thorough socket and slot cleaning, better and more up to date PSU, and if we're not getting anywhere by then, gotta go over things more minutely I guess. Also that 84 code might be telling me it really wants me to have a keyboard to select the boot device.

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Reply 2115 of 2188, by Unknown_K

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I have a Gigabyte GA-F2A88XM-D3HP FM2+ board purchased last year for barely shipping just to have one. I picked up a A4 Pro 7300B to put in it and (just a dual core).

For the most part it would have made a decent HTPC back in the day but don't really see a use for it now other then having one. I have pretty much at least one of every AMD board setup from Athlon/ Duron days to AM3+/FM2+ in my collection.

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Reply 2116 of 2188, by dormcat

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Just auctioned a combo of MSI ZH77A-G41 + i5-3570 for NT$890 (US$27.70). Seller had tested RAM slots, PCIe slots, ethernet and sound connectors, but not PCI slots (probably didn't have a card to test with). Decided to take a gamble as I just need one of those two PCI slots working.

If everything goes well then it will be my ultimate XP rig (after replacing i5-3570 with i7-3770 and adding GTX 960, although 3570 is already a nice CPU) as well as a spare Win10 system should my main system need a thorough maintenance/upgrading or run into any trouble.

UPDATE: Arrived in less than 48 hours. 😎 Thermal paste was still in place and a bit dusty here and there, but nothing serious. Preliminary OS-free tests are fine; it's now the oldest UEFI-based motherboard I own.

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Reply 2117 of 2188, by Srandista

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Please welcome a new member of my Fractal family. I needed a new case to transfer my main PC to and to build a PC from older parts that I have, so I pick the obvious choice, Fractal Design North. It's so gorgeous in person, I absolutely love it!

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Reply 2118 of 2188, by konc

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Srandista wrote on 2024-10-18, 11:27:

Please welcome a new member of my Fractal family. I needed a new case to transfer my main PC to and to build a PC from older parts that I have, so I pick the obvious choice, Fractal Design North. It's so gorgeous in person, I absolutely love it!

Hello there! It is a gorgeous case, almost a design element in the house with a very high wife acceptance factor. I also went for mesh side panel and not the TG, I don't know if it's just me or a new general tendency is emerging.

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Reply 2119 of 2188, by H3nrik V!

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H3nrik V! wrote on 2024-10-11, 20:15:

Bought an i7-9700K to replace the i7-9700 non-K in my daily driver ... yes, the mission is +100k in 3DMark 2001 🤣
I have a Noctua NH-D14 on it, and with all limits on power removed, it never goes above 80 deg C, so there's some headroom for a couple of hundred MHz

The 9700k is a dud, or ... it POSTs, I can access BIOS and play around with settings I've even updated my BIOS with it in the board, but it doesn't boot windows. I get a BSOD with "BAD_POOL_CALLER". I've tried the newest BIOS, reset CMOS data and even tried to reinstall Windows, but I can't even start the installation before a BSOD hits me. I've swapped the k and non-k several times, cleaned pads with a cotton swap with IPA, but no dice. Also reducing to 1 stick of memory. Now the rig is running happily with the non-k and 4x8 gigs.

Any suggestions? And can a CPU be toasted like that - seemingly working but no OS boot?

If it's dual it's kind of cool ... 😎

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