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First post, by minimumattic

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Hi,

I am following Vogons for long time but newly registered to ask for your help if possible.

My setup is Asrock P4i65g motherboard with Pentium 4 Northwoord 2.4Ghz HT + ATI Radeon 9250/256mb + SB Live 0220. Dual booting Win98se (on 80GB Samsung IDE HDD) + WinXPSP3 (250GB WD Blue SATA HDD). PSU is brand new 500W 80-plus bronze FSP brand.

Since I don't have a good PS/2 keyboard ( I got an old and terrible keyboard used couple of times to install USB 2.0 drivers on Win98) and mouse and I have other PCs on my desk, I am using a USB HDMI KVM switch.

My issues with this motherboard are :

- Very slow boot post screen (I think this is because of usb devices attached > without usb or with ps2 keyboard it passes boot screen very fast)
- Very slow & laggy BIOS > while browsing between bios settings with arrow key, it lags.
- laggy Win98 loading screen.
- laggy Win98 safe mode.
- usually after some time of installing Plus!98 software, win98 causing freeze on desktop. It goes when I uninstall Plus!98 software and reinstall at same setup. This happens all the time I fresh install win98. couple of times it happened with different software or apps. ( I have a friend who has same setup no issue with Plus!98 software at all). Freeze happening on win98 only, XP is fine.
- Loud beep at start (normally it beeps 1 short but time to time it beeps long and loud while booting - still it boots to windows fine)
- I tested couple of RAM sticks, for example last time I couple of Noname 1GB DDR400, at first try at slot-1 it pc didnt post and beeped weirdly and loud, same stick worked fine at slot-2, at second try this time same stick worked fine also on slot-1. This is happening time to time when I test different RAM sticks.

Dont know what is wrong with my setup. When physically checked caps look fine by look.

Couple of times I forgot Hyper Threading enabled on BIOS and booted win98, that caused win98 goes crazy. Disabled immediately when I realize but issues keep continues.

Once I forgot to remove couple of extra metal motherboard standoff on pc case while mounting motherboard and when I powered on, it beeped crazily, pc didnt post any display. After removing those extra standoffs pc booted fine. Not sure if that caused any damage on motherboard.

Laggy post, bios, boot and loud beep at boot annoying me. Something is fishy but dont know what.

Thanks for help in advance.

Reply 1 of 10, by minimumattic

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Well, about lag I guess USB kvm/keyboard & mouse is causing system slows down . Dont know why it is causing slow down and lag. I just tested ps/s keyboard, it posts super fast. But as I mentioned above, I prefer to use USB KVM since no place for another keyboard on my desk and one monitor for all my other PCs.

Reply 2 of 10, by Old_mATX

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Your system is almost identical to mine. I have GeForce GPU, my system is works/boots flawlessly.
Remove questionable peripherals and boot, then swap internals and; less RAM, no GPU, no SC, etc. Hope this helps.

Reply 3 of 10, by Stretch

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I have a similar setup but with a Asrock 775i65G motherboard. I suggest leaving the ps2 keyboard plugged in even though you're using a usb keyboard.

Win 11 - Intel i7-1360p - 32 GB - Intel Iris Xe - Cubilux 7.1 USB

Reply 4 of 10, by DudeFace

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i have one board that beeps loud when i turn it on, its normal, if it beeps but doesnt show anything on screen its ram, the other problems you describe could also be failing ram, if it beeps multiple times continuosly like a siren, your cpu is overheating, sound like your KVM is causing a delay but any kind of KB/mouse shouldnt make your system hang on post, this is usually drive related (including usb drives), for 98 you need to disable either one IDE header or 2 SATA depending on what you're using, if you haven't already. there should only be 4 enabled (both IDE headers with master/slave for a total of 4) or 2sata and 1 IDE header (master/slave) to make 4, if you have all six enabled this will cause a hang on post when detecting drives and often prevent 98 from even booting

Reply 5 of 10, by vintageonthemoon

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i got Asrock P4i65g specifically for my retro build running Win 98SE on it, building around the limitations of the OS, the sweet spot of Pentium 4 Windows 98 builds. P4 northwood (2.8mhz), 2x256mb ddr 400 ram (512mb in total), Geforce 4 ti 4200 (128mb, 8x), SB live! 5.1 and 80GB HDD seagate. since im not using it for Win XP (i have better and faster build for it), the board despite being micro ATX is very stable in my opinion with intel 865 chipset, using PS/2 keyboard and mouse, the usb i'm only using front connection, since it has USB 2.0 which is perfect for quick transfering files from usb stick. im using IDE cables, disable all the stuff in bios that im not using, like serial ports and such. i had no issues instaling the OS, i rarley ran intro problems with the build now, few games (early Win95 games) hates that i have more then 256mb of ram, SB Live! drivers are a pain in the A** to get working properly thanks to Creative's rabbit hole of drivers for million versions of the SB live! and of course DOS drivers. in general win 98 can be a super picky OS especially during P4 and Athlon era, that has aplications that break or not working properly like audio detect cd/dvd with stop working (patched with Tweak UI), stuck at shutdowns (it took me forever to fix that stupid bug with MS patch and tiny registry edit), sometimes when i boot up it gets stuck at the desktop 10 seconds later due to one of the application didn't load properly. but i still love Windows 98 SE on P4i65g better then my P4 Biostar board with Via chipset which gave me so much problems under win 98.

Reply 6 of 10, by KTF

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Curious to know whether the issues have been fixed. I bought a P4 mainboard few years ago but I found there were missing capacitors. It was laggy in BIOS so I abandoned the board. Hopefully I can get some info about that missing capacitors someday but there are very few photos about P4G800V online.

Reply 8 of 10, by Old_mATX

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lale1916 wrote on 2024-12-03, 20:49:

Does AsRock P4i65G mainboard supports SSD Sata3 hard-disk?

I'd say yes, I run OEM Intel 80GB SSD on it (SATA 3.0), no issues so far, running Win ME.

Reply 9 of 10, by lale1916

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Old_mATX wrote on 2024-12-04, 18:15:
lale1916 wrote on 2024-12-03, 20:49:

Does AsRock P4i65G mainboard supports SSD Sata3 hard-disk?

I'd say yes, I run OEM Intel 80GB SSD on it (SATA 3.0), no issues so far, running Win ME.

I have Kingston KC600 SSD SATA 3.0 256GB. I can not install Windows 7 because I don't see the hard-disk during the Windows Installation.
I update BIOS.
I SSD's firmware is up to date.
I tried every different setings in BIOS.
I can see SSD disk in BIOS.

Reply 10 of 10, by elszgensa

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You probably need to manually load some SATA drivers from within Win7 Setup (or slipstream them into a new install medium). Try a recent (10/11) installer, they already have everything necessary - if it sees the disk then that's your issue.

> I tried every different setings in BIOS.

(X) Doubt. If you had then you would've also tried some "Legacy disk", "PATA" or whatever else it may be called -mode, to enable IDE emulation, which would've made it work even without SATA drivers, just slower. Try it if you want - but maybe don't use the system that way...